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		<title>by: magetoo</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/05/24/know-everything-they-type-or-stop-them-from-typing-at-all/#comment-4938</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 07:48:49 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>And for the opposing viewpoint, Marcus Brooks has a pretty thorough critique of Liebowitz &amp;amp; Margolis &lt;a href=&quot;http://dvorak.mwbrooks.com/dissent.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And for the opposing viewpoint, Marcus Brooks has a pretty thorough critique of Liebowitz &amp; Margolis <a href="http://dvorak.mwbrooks.com/dissent.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.
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		<title>by: frasera</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/05/24/know-everything-they-type-or-stop-them-from-typing-at-all/#comment-4936</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 16:34:58 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>theres no real evidence that dvorok is any better. its one of those old geek myths, much like the advice to put keyboards in dishwashers lol:)  dvorok had a financial interest in getting his keyboard setup adopted by the military or something, and he totally gamed the &quot;test&quot; to show that his version was superior.   its amazing how this simple fraud has made countless people spend their time trying to adopt a dubious typing system:P
reason magazine goes deep into it:)
http://www.reason.com/news/show/29944.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>theres no real evidence that dvorok is any better. its one of those old geek myths, much like the advice to put keyboards in dishwashers lol:)  dvorok had a financial interest in getting his keyboard setup adopted by the military or something, and he totally gamed the "test" to show that his version was superior.   its amazing how this simple fraud has made countless people spend their time trying to adopt a dubious typing system:P<br />
reason magazine goes deep into it:)<br />
<a href='http://www.reason.com/news/show/29944.html' rel='nofollow'>http://www.reason.com/news/show/29944.html</a>
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		<title>by: violet</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/05/24/know-everything-they-type-or-stop-them-from-typing-at-all/#comment-4925</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 03:22:27 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Was I the only one expecting the QIDO's Real True Purpose in life to be plugging it into, say, library computers, and befuddling the hell out of the patrons?

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Your Internets are broken.&quot;
&quot;How's that?&quot;
&quot;The keys don't work on them.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Of course, then the librarians would either kill you or buy you a drink. Or, perhaps, kill you with drink.

I turn my left caps lock into another left control, and switching either the keyboard's layout or my brain's is so aggravating, I can't even imagine the suffering of remapping every single letter. (Of course, even once I find the control key one way or another, my troubles aren't over. I will not-uncommonly hit C-a C-k to delete the line I'm editing, only to find that I have selected all the text in the document and replaced it with the letter k. Which is usually not what I wanted.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Was I the only one expecting the QIDO's Real True Purpose in life to be plugging it into, say, library computers, and befuddling the hell out of the patrons?</p>
	<p><em>"Your Internets are broken."<br />
"How's that?"<br />
"The keys don't work on them."</em></p>
	<p>Of course, then the librarians would either kill you or buy you a drink. Or, perhaps, kill you with drink.</p>
	<p>I turn my left caps lock into another left control, and switching either the keyboard's layout or my brain's is so aggravating, I can't even imagine the suffering of remapping every single letter. (Of course, even once I find the control key one way or another, my troubles aren't over. I will not-uncommonly hit C-a C-k to delete the line I'm editing, only to find that I have selected all the text in the document and replaced it with the letter k. Which is usually not what I wanted.)
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		<title>by: Daniel Rutter</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/05/24/know-everything-they-type-or-stop-them-from-typing-at-all/#comment-4924</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 03:20:26 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;What about the $29 shipping though? Is it really that much from New Zealand?&lt;/i&gt;

Via FedEx, yes. That seems to be the only option KeyGhost offer.

If I were them, I'd offer registered mail or even plain old untracked air mail, which for a thumb-drive-sized thing of course costs very little.

The problem with this for dealers who sell ordinary sorts of computer products is that scam artists will order a widget (or several...) via air mail, pay for it with a credit card, then say they never received it and reverse the charge, whereupon the seller is boned.

(Or they'll order lots of stuff with stolen credit-card details, which amounts to the same thing. This kind of scammer is easier to detect, though, because they're usually someone with very poor English from a third-world country, who's asking for 25 top-flight CPUs.)

But the QIDO seems to me to be enough of a niche product that it shouldn't attract fraudsters. No credit-card spammer is likely to want a QIDO, even if they can get it for free.

It's easy for me to say this, of course, because I'm not the one who has to implement it. KeyGhost might also be well-advised to stick with expensive tracked shipping for their keyloggers, because &lt;b&gt;those&lt;/b&gt; have a certain obvious appeal for scam artists. Even if no consumer is very interested, scam artists could sell them on to all of their scam-artist friends :-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>What about the $29 shipping though? Is it really that much from New Zealand?</i></p>
	<p>Via FedEx, yes. That seems to be the only option KeyGhost offer.</p>
	<p>If I were them, I'd offer registered mail or even plain old untracked air mail, which for a thumb-drive-sized thing of course costs very little.</p>
	<p>The problem with this for dealers who sell ordinary sorts of computer products is that scam artists will order a widget (or several...) via air mail, pay for it with a credit card, then say they never received it and reverse the charge, whereupon the seller is boned.</p>
	<p>(Or they'll order lots of stuff with stolen credit-card details, which amounts to the same thing. This kind of scammer is easier to detect, though, because they're usually someone with very poor English from a third-world country, who's asking for 25 top-flight CPUs.)</p>
	<p>But the QIDO seems to me to be enough of a niche product that it shouldn't attract fraudsters. No credit-card spammer is likely to want a QIDO, even if they can get it for free.</p>
	<p>It's easy for me to say this, of course, because I'm not the one who has to implement it. KeyGhost might also be well-advised to stick with expensive tracked shipping for their keyloggers, because <b>those</b> have a certain obvious appeal for scam artists. Even if no consumer is very interested, scam artists could sell them on to all of their scam-artist friends :-).
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		<title>by: Alex Eagle</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 02:29:05 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for the pingback, Dan.

Theo sent me a prototype of the QIDO to test and comment on. I totally love it and I'll need to keep one on hand all the time. I'll write up my impressions in a blog post, but the short version is that it works exactly as you think it should, and I couldn't tell a difference between the QIDO and a real hardware Dvorak keyboard, including that when you plug it into a Mac, the OS says it doesn't recognize the keyboard type and asks you to press the key to the right of left-shift (just cancel out of it).

One big advantage of the QIDO you didn't mention is that you can have Dvorak with you almost anywhere. Many times you don't want to mess with someone's settings, or maybe you're using a kiosk computer like at the library - now you can just plug in through the QIDO (if you can access the USB port where the keyboard is plugged in). As for having two people type at once, that's a programmer thing. It's a good practice to work in tandem with another programmer from time to time (&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_programming&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pair programming&lt;/a&gt;) and there's no other way for Dvorak typists to do it than with a QIDO.

I'm glad to hear about the price drop, that's been the biggest negative complaint I've heard from the Dvorak users at work. What about the $29 shipping though? Is it really that much from New Zealand?? Is there an American distributor that could help?

As for the Dvorak vs Qwerty debate, I'm really glad I switched, but it was a long process so I don't recommend it to everybody. (And my wife gets very irritated about my rearranged keyboards!) The biggest advantage for me is in comfort. Most words just feel like they lie naturally under your fingers. I highly recommend the &lt;a href=&quot;http://daskeyboard.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Das Keyboard&lt;/a&gt; for switchers, as the blank keyboard is the only way to force yourself to stop looking down at the keys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks for the pingback, Dan.</p>
	<p>Theo sent me a prototype of the QIDO to test and comment on. I totally love it and I'll need to keep one on hand all the time. I'll write up my impressions in a blog post, but the short version is that it works exactly as you think it should, and I couldn't tell a difference between the QIDO and a real hardware Dvorak keyboard, including that when you plug it into a Mac, the OS says it doesn't recognize the keyboard type and asks you to press the key to the right of left-shift (just cancel out of it).</p>
	<p>One big advantage of the QIDO you didn't mention is that you can have Dvorak with you almost anywhere. Many times you don't want to mess with someone's settings, or maybe you're using a kiosk computer like at the library - now you can just plug in through the QIDO (if you can access the USB port where the keyboard is plugged in). As for having two people type at once, that's a programmer thing. It's a good practice to work in tandem with another programmer from time to time (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_programming" rel="nofollow">pair programming</a>) and there's no other way for Dvorak typists to do it than with a QIDO.</p>
	<p>I'm glad to hear about the price drop, that's been the biggest negative complaint I've heard from the Dvorak users at work. What about the $29 shipping though? Is it really that much from New Zealand?? Is there an American distributor that could help?</p>
	<p>As for the Dvorak vs Qwerty debate, I'm really glad I switched, but it was a long process so I don't recommend it to everybody. (And my wife gets very irritated about my rearranged keyboards!) The biggest advantage for me is in comfort. Most words just feel like they lie naturally under your fingers. I highly recommend the <a href="http://daskeyboard.com/" rel="nofollow">Das Keyboard</a> for switchers, as the blank keyboard is the only way to force yourself to stop looking down at the keys.
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		<title>by: Bern</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/05/24/know-everything-they-type-or-stop-them-from-typing-at-all/#comment-4922</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 00:11:14 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Speaking of Windows keymap weirdness... a senior guy in my office got a new laptop a few years ago.  About three weeks after he got it, he called me in to help because when he typed he got gobbledygook on the screen.  Turned out that the keymap default had changed to Dvorak, despite nobody ever even having set it up on that PC.  
I'm fairly sure it wasn't a prank - this wasn't the kind of guy anyone would pull that prank on (it'd be like kicking puppies - some people enjoy that sort of thing, but we don't employ any of them).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Speaking of Windows keymap weirdness... a senior guy in my office got a new laptop a few years ago.  About three weeks after he got it, he called me in to help because when he typed he got gobbledygook on the screen.  Turned out that the keymap default had changed to Dvorak, despite nobody ever even having set it up on that PC.<br />
I'm fairly sure it wasn't a prank - this wasn't the kind of guy anyone would pull that prank on (it'd be like kicking puppies - some people enjoy that sort of thing, but we don't employ any of them).
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		<title>by: KeyGhost</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/05/24/know-everything-they-type-or-stop-them-from-typing-at-all/#comment-4921</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 15:00:30 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Steve H, to be fair on everyone, we just adjusted the single unit price down to the bulk-buy price ($89). Our aim was to develop the ultimate Qwerty to Dvorak converter so we put quite a bit of effort into the custom firmware.

Hi PhilH, we can only convert the keystrokes on an external USB keyboard, not laptop.

Hi tm and Dan, the KeyGhost USB/HUB version will record off multiple USB keyboards, but the data needs to pass throught the KeyGhost. E.G. 4 x USB Keyboards connect to -&amp;gt; Hub which connects to -&amp;gt; KeyGhost USB/HUB device connected to -&amp;gt; PC/Mac.

Kind regards
Theo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi Steve H, to be fair on everyone, we just adjusted the single unit price down to the bulk-buy price ($89). Our aim was to develop the ultimate Qwerty to Dvorak converter so we put quite a bit of effort into the custom firmware.</p>
	<p>Hi PhilH, we can only convert the keystrokes on an external USB keyboard, not laptop.</p>
	<p>Hi tm and Dan, the KeyGhost USB/HUB version will record off multiple USB keyboards, but the data needs to pass throught the KeyGhost. E.G. 4 x USB Keyboards connect to -&gt; Hub which connects to -&gt; KeyGhost USB/HUB device connected to -&gt; PC/Mac.</p>
	<p>Kind regards<br />
Theo
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		<title>by: Daniel Rutter</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/05/24/know-everything-they-type-or-stop-them-from-typing-at-all/#comment-4920</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 13:26:31 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>You're quite right, tm; I've fixed that bit of the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You're quite right, tm; I've fixed that bit of the post.
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		<title>by: tm</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 04:39:43 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>The USB KeyGhost only records the keystrokes of the keyboard plugged into it.  The part on the KeyGhost website that says any USB keyboard means it'll work with any keyboard not that it'll record all your USB keyboards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The USB KeyGhost only records the keystrokes of the keyboard plugged into it.  The part on the KeyGhost website that says any USB keyboard means it'll work with any keyboard not that it'll record all your USB keyboards.
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		<title>by: Daniel Rutter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 22:47:05 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I don't think there's actually any clear evidence that Dvorak is superior to Qwerty, generally speaking.

It's plausible that people with strain injuries caused by typing may find relief if they switch to a different keyboard shape or keymap, but this could apply in the Dvorak-to-Qwerty direction, as well as the other way. Repetitive-strain injuries can be alleviated by any change to the repetitive strain.

In the olden days, typists had to exert quite a bit of pressure to swing the arm for each key up into the paper, which meant that stuff like this was more important. Today, even heavy-push keyboards like the Optimus Maximus are not anywhere near as hard to type on than were most manual typewriters.

I'm not about to declare that Dvorak Users Are All Fooling Themselves; the Qwerty layout was not created by an ergonomicist, and it's quite likely that some other key layout is better. I type a lot, though, and Qwerty on a nice clicky IBM keyboard is fine by me.

If you're finding typing uncomfortable, and you're not currently using a fancy Qwerty keyboard, I strongly recommend you pick up a buckling-spring or Alps-keyswitch &quot;clicky&quot; keyboard on eBay for not more than the price of two movie tickets, and see what you think of it.

If that doesn't help, then off you should go to Dvorak layouts, bizarre-looking ergonomic keyboards, and so on.

I think it's very possible that a clicky keyboard with some oddball layout will be just as good as a $1000 ultra-ergo-board, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don't think there's actually any clear evidence that Dvorak is superior to Qwerty, generally speaking.</p>
	<p>It's plausible that people with strain injuries caused by typing may find relief if they switch to a different keyboard shape or keymap, but this could apply in the Dvorak-to-Qwerty direction, as well as the other way. Repetitive-strain injuries can be alleviated by any change to the repetitive strain.</p>
	<p>In the olden days, typists had to exert quite a bit of pressure to swing the arm for each key up into the paper, which meant that stuff like this was more important. Today, even heavy-push keyboards like the Optimus Maximus are not anywhere near as hard to type on than were most manual typewriters.</p>
	<p>I'm not about to declare that Dvorak Users Are All Fooling Themselves; the Qwerty layout was not created by an ergonomicist, and it's quite likely that some other key layout is better. I type a lot, though, and Qwerty on a nice clicky IBM keyboard is fine by me.</p>
	<p>If you're finding typing uncomfortable, and you're not currently using a fancy Qwerty keyboard, I strongly recommend you pick up a buckling-spring or Alps-keyswitch "clicky" keyboard on eBay for not more than the price of two movie tickets, and see what you think of it.</p>
	<p>If that doesn't help, then off you should go to Dvorak layouts, bizarre-looking ergonomic keyboards, and so on.</p>
	<p>I think it's very possible that a clicky keyboard with some oddball layout will be just as good as a $1000 ultra-ergo-board, though.
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