"If it's on teh Itnarwebs it must be true" is what I always say.

Oh, and if it uses more than 2 fonts or 2 text sizes, it must be true!

I hear they come at night, make you pay your own way to their super-secret testing centers, where you are subjected to various physical and psychological tests, all of which are secret, and must be paid for by you, and then they vaccinate you. These tests take days and days, so just before they brain-wipe you with that cool flashing light (just like in the MIB documentary with that ~dreamy~ William Smith), they take you to a super secret lab on the inside surface of the earth, and you are sent back in time to the very moment after you were abducted, so you never know that anything happened.

Of course if you are hypnotized, then the real truth comes out.

Of course her mother had her get the polio vaccine. She didn't want my fiance to go through what she did. Controls are better now and bad vaccines are rarer. Yes, she could have contracted it as well, but odds were against it. Plus, the possibility she could get full-on polio and never walk again or die was horrible to her mother.

Your belief in vaccines as the greatest good stems from decades of institutional indoctrination -- indoctrination which I also had but which I was allowed to break free from by a chance encounter with someone who had also broken free.

You can continue on with your beliefs -- and with your endless making-it-about-me -- but the truth about vaccines is waiting for you in over a century of scientific research.

Commenter #8 mentioned smallpox. Regarding this disease, please take time to read Dr. Tim O'Shea's article:

http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/smallpox/Smallpox-Bringing-a-Dead-Disease-Back-to-Life.php

Below are the sources I used for my article "Into the Labyrinth: Discovering the Truth about Vaccination" . . . for your consideration.

If you or anyone commenting here would prefer to have a discussion about vaccine efficacy somewhere other than this blog, I can post all discussions on my site. I have had the following URL up for several years with no takers:

"The Great Vaccination Debate"
http://spontaneouscreation.org/SC/OpenLetterToBelieversInVaccination.htm

Or we could carry on a conversation on another site of your or one of your commenters' choosing.

If anyone wants to discuss vaccines, you may first want to read these MDs and medical historians:

http://www.whale.to/m/critics.html

If you would prefer to hear nothing more from me here on vaccination, I will be happy to refrain from posting here again. Just let me know.

You are always welcome to write to me at:
director@spontaneouscreation.org

Vaccine info sources below.

In health,
Jock Doubleday

VACCINE EFFICACY?

http://www.vaclib.org/sites/debate/index.html

http://www.thinktwice.com/

http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html

http://www.909shot.com/

http://vaccineinfo.net/

http://www.foundationforhealthchoice.com/

http://www.avn.org.au/

http://www.vaclib.org/

http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/

http://www.vaccinepolicy.org/

http://www.whale.to/v/obomsawin.html

http://www.know-vaccines.org/

http://www.vaccine-info.com/

http://www.vaccines.bizland.com/

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/8148/vac.html

http://www.informedparent.co.uk/

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/

VACCINE INGREDIENTS

http://www.vaclib.org/basic/vacingredient.htm

http://chemfinder.camsoft.com/

AIDS LINKED TO MASS POLIO VACCINATION

http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/dissent/documents/AIDS/

http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/dissent/documents/AIDS/River/Hooper_00/

ANIMAL VACCINES

http://www.healthy.net/library/articles/ivn/animals.htm

http://www.ahvma.org/

http://cyberpet.com/cyberdog/articles/health/vaccin.htm

http://www.canine-health-concern.org.uk/

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/petvacc.htm

http://www.animalhomeopathy.net/

ANTHRAX VACCINE

www.gulfwarvets.com/anthrax.htm

ANTIBODIES AND VACCINES

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/antibody.html

http://vaclib.org/intro/qanda3.htm

ARMY VACCINES

http://www.gulfwarvets.com/winds.htm

http://www.all-natural.com/gwi-1.html

ASTHMA AND VACCINES

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/asthma.html

http://www.whale.to/v/asthma3.html

AUTISM AND VACCINES

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/01/02/vaccine-induced-autism.aspx

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/10/01/autism-mercury-part-one.aspx

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2001/02/24/autism-mercury-part-two.aspx

http://www.wellbeingjournal.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=491&Itemid=77

http://www.unlockingautism.org

http://www.taap.info/articles.asp

http://www.autismuk.com/

http://www.mercola.com/2001/mar/7/autism_vaccines.htm

http://www.garynull.com/Documents/autism99b.htm

CHILD ABUSE (shaken baby syndrome) AND VACCINES

http://www.falseallegation.org

http://www.freeyurko.bizland.com/contents.html

CHURCH OF VACCINATION

http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/article.asp?PageType=Article&ID=1121

CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND VACCINES

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/05/21/research-for-sale.aspx

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/09/24/vaccine-approvals.aspx

http://www.wellbeingjournal.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=52&Itemid=65

http://www.mercola.com/2000/oct/15/congress_conflicts.htm

http://www.mercola.com/2001/sep/15/vaccines.htm

http://consumerlawpage.com/article/vaccine.shtml

http://www.cspinet.org/new/200303101.html

DIABETES AND VACCINES

http://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/Diabetes/congressionalhearing.aspx

http://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/Diabetes/juvenilediabetes.aspx

DIPHTHERIA (DPT) VACCINE

http://www.whale.to/v/asthma3.html

DPT VACCINE LINKED TO PARALYTIC POLIO

http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/online/vaccine/polio.html

DISEASE THEORY AND VACCINES

http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/reviews2.html#pasteur

http://www.pnc.com.au/%7Ecafmr/reviews2.html

EXEMPTIONS / WAIVERS FOR VACCINES

http://www.geocities.com/titus2birthing/VacRefuse.html

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/exemptions.htm

http://www.geocities.com/titus2birthing/WhyChoose.html

http://www.know-vaccines.org/exemption.html

http://www.gval.com/exempt.htm

FLU VACCINE

http://www.healthy.net/library/articles/ivn/flu.htm

FORCED VACCINATION

http://www.naturalnews.com/022384.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Vj0EX_STU

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54095

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=1117

http://www.disinfo.com/content/story.php?title=Help-Stop-Forced-Vaccination-Children

http://www.naturalnews.com/022384.html

GARDASIL (HPV) VACCINE

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54095

HEPATITIS B (HEP B) VACCINE

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews/June2001/HepBVaxReactOutnumbCases.htm

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews/July2001/HepBDis&VaxFacts.htm

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews/August2001/HepBVaxForNewborns.htm

HOMEOPATHY AND VACCINES

http://www.healthy.net/library/articles/moskowitz/vaccination.htm

http://www.healthy.net/library/articles/moskowitz/unvaccinated.htm

http://www.tinussmits.com/english/

http://www.animalhomeopathy.net/

IMMUNE SYSTEM AND VACCINES (autoimmune disorders)

http://www.healthy.net/library/articles/neustaedter/immune.htm

MMR VACCINE (Measles Mumps Rubella)

http://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/MMR.aspx

http://cryshame.net/index.php?option=com_search&searchword=pport

MMR AND AUTISM

http://www.autismuk.com/

POLIO VACCINE

http://www.vaccines.plus.com/

http://thinktwice.com/s_polio.htm

http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/dissent/documents/AIDS/

RUBELLA VACCINE

http://thinktwice.com/s_rubell.htm

http://www.garynull.com/Documents/autism99b.htm

SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome) AND VACCINES

http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/coulter/sids.html

http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/coulter/vacc-deb.html

http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/newsl/kalo.html

TETANUS VACCINE

http://www.whale.to/a/tetanus.html

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/tetanus.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=Retrieve&list_uids=1565228&dopt=Abstract

TUBERCULOSIS AND VACCINES

http://www.whale.to/m/point1.html

UNVACCINATED CHILDREN

http://www.healthy.net/library/articles/moskowitz/unvaccinated.htm

VACCINE ADVERSE REACTIONS

http://www.gn.apc.org/inquirer/vaccio.html

VACCINE ARTICLES

http://www.ivanfraser.com/articles/health/vaccination.html

http://www.curezone.com/art/1.asp?C0=735

http://www.icpa4kids.com/pediatric_chiropractic_articles_immunizations.htm

http://www.healingwell.com/library/health/thompson2.asp

http://www.wellbeingjournal.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=52&Itemid=65

http://www.mercola.com/2003/jul/12/vaccine_procedure.htm

http://www.healthy.net/clinic/familyhealthcenter/children/vaccination/articles.asp

http://www.korenpublications.com/

http://www.wellbeingjournal.com/index.php?searchword=vaccines&option=com_search&Itemid=

VACCINE CHALLENGE (Jock Doubleday's)
http://www.spontaneouscreation.org/SC/$75,000VaccineOffer.htm

VACCINE CHALLENGE (Viera Scheibner's)

http://vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews/October2001/VaccinationChallenge.htm

VACCINE CRITICS

http://www.whale.to/m/critics.html

VACCINE HOAX

http://www.whale.to/a/hoax.html

VACCINE LINKS

http://www.vaclib.org/links/vaxlinks.htm

http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/human_vaccines.html

http://www.industryinet.com/~ruby/vaccinations.html

VACCINE PACKAGE INSERTS (pdf files)

http://www.vaclib.org/chapter/inserts.htm

VACCINE SITES (GOVERNMENT) Vaccine Adverse Event Report System (VAERS)

http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaers/vaers.htm

VACCINE QUOTES

http://www.whale.to/a/hoax.html

VACCINE BOOKS

Jamie Murphy, What Every Parent Should Know about Childhood Immunization

Tim O'Shea, The Sanctity of Human Blood: Vaccination Is Not Immunization

Neil Z. Miller, Vaccines: Are They Really Safe and Effective?

Robert Mendelsohn, How to Raise A Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor

Walene James, Immunization: The Reality Behind the Myth

Tedd Koren, Childhood Vaccination: Questions All Parents Should Ask

Randall Neustaedter, The Vaccine Guide: Risks and Benefits for Children and Adults

Raymond Obomsawin, Universal Immunization: Medical Miracle or Masterful Mirage?

Ethel Douglas Hume, Pasteur Exposed: The False Foundations of Modern Medicine

Harris L. Coulter and Barbara Loe Fisher, A Shot in the Dark: Why the P in DPT Vaccination May Be Hazardous to Your Child's Health

Leon Chaitow, Vaccination and Immunization: Dangers, Delusions and Alternatives

Harris L. Coulter, Vaccination, Social Violence and Criminality: The Medical Assault on the American Brain

Viera Scheibner, Vaccination: 100 Years of Orthodox Research Shows that Vaccines Represent a Medical Assault on the Immune System

Neil Z. Miller, Vaccines, Autism, and Childhood Disorders

Neil Z. Miller, Immunizations: The People Speak!

Catherine J.M. Diodati, Immunization: History, Ethics, Law and Health

Epidemics: Opposing Viewpoints (Opposing Viewpoints Series, Unnumbered) by William Dudley, Ed., Mary E. Williams, Ed., Greenhaven Press (January 1999)

VACCINE BOOK SITES

http://www.know-vaccines.org/reading.html

http://thinktwice.com/vaccine.htm

http://www.korenpublications.com

http://www.cure-guide.com/Vaccine_Guide/vaccine_guide.html

http://www.noamalgam.com/vaccinations.html

http://www.vaclib.org/sites/debate/about.html

AUTISM BOOKS AND ARTICLES

http://www.autismwebsite.com/ari/index.htm

http://www.impossiblecure.com

http://www.baps-online.co.uk/28.html

VACCINE BOOK REVIEWS

http://www.pnc.com.au/%7Ecafmr/reviews2.html

VACCINE VIDEOTAPES

http://www.vaclib.org/basic/products.htm

[I gave this mighty wad of wisdom its own post. -Dan]

Yep, but that's because those countries are polluted - just look at the site Jock recommended!

A mainstay of the antivax viewpoint is that various diseases are caused by poor sanitation, "toxins", dissolute lifestyles, contaminants in the actual vaccines, etc. It's one of those things, like flat-earthism, that stands to reason, but only if you don't look too hard, and assume that Science is a monolithic entity populated entirely by fools, monsters, and monstrous fools.

Oooh I like that one. I'm writing that one down.