Comments on: I'm also an expert on artificial flowers, oneiromancy and marmosets http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/19/im-also-an-expert-on-artificial-flowers-oneiromancy-and-marmosets/ the blog that is not dansdata.com Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:00:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: davolfman http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/19/im-also-an-expert-on-artificial-flowers-oneiromancy-and-marmosets/#comment-4581 Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:37:39 +0000 http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/19/im-also-an-expert-on-artificial-flowers-oneiromancy-and-marmosets/#comment-4581 Sounds to me like a relatively simple system to attempt to drive up Google pagerank. It doesn't matter if you have any viewers who are interested in poker. The simple fact that you're a well known, content-generating, and well-linked website means he can leach pagerank off any link you give him. If he gets links from enough private websites with good pageranks it'll make a noticeable impact on his appearance in search results. Sounds to me like a relatively simple system to attempt to drive up Google pagerank. It doesn't matter if you have any viewers who are interested in poker. The simple fact that you're a well known, content-generating, and well-linked website means he can leach pagerank off any link you give him. If he gets links from enough private websites with good pageranks it'll make a noticeable impact on his appearance in search results.

]]> by: Mohonri http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/19/im-also-an-expert-on-artificial-flowers-oneiromancy-and-marmosets/#comment-4574 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:07:46 +0000 http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/19/im-also-an-expert-on-artificial-flowers-oneiromancy-and-marmosets/#comment-4574 The difference between the link-farming and other scams is that they are heavily dependent on Google, and on the expectation that their current method of attracting traffic from google will always work. All it takes for the business model to collapse is a change in how Google collects and generates search results. The difference between the link-farming and other scams is that they are heavily dependent on Google, and on the expectation that their current method of attracting traffic from google will always work. All it takes for the business model to collapse is a change in how Google collects and generates search results.

]]> by: corinoco http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/19/im-also-an-expert-on-artificial-flowers-oneiromancy-and-marmosets/#comment-4573 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:16:17 +0000 http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/19/im-also-an-expert-on-artificial-flowers-oneiromancy-and-marmosets/#comment-4573 "one day the whole thing must go pop." No, it won't. We still have one of those hilariously antiquated 'fax' thingimies in the office, and we still get probably 5 pages of fax-spam per day. "one day the whole thing must go pop."

No, it won't. We still have one of those hilariously antiquated 'fax' thingimies in the office, and we still get probably 5 pages of fax-spam per day.

]]> by: Daniel Rutter http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/19/im-also-an-expert-on-artificial-flowers-oneiromancy-and-marmosets/#comment-4572 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:52:50 +0000 http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/19/im-also-an-expert-on-artificial-flowers-oneiromancy-and-marmosets/#comment-4572 I thought that something like that might have been going on, but then thought "I've spent enough time on this already - if there's more to the story, some commenter'll figure it out". And so one did! I actually deliberately changed the pg=Mz9ah bit on the end of the URL to something else (just the "h" to a "g") the first time I visited, just to screw his system up - but it still worked :-). Neverfold.net also sets no fewer than <b>six</b> cookies whenever you visit, which may or may not have something to do with this. This puts Mr Jubenville pretty clearly in the "shameless, if incompetent, swindler" category, doesn't it? I wonder if all of the other sites that use <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=%22As+we+are+closely+related+to+them,+I+would+love%22&amp;hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;filter=0" rel="nofollow">the same come-on text</a> are using the same system? I thought that something like that might have been going on, but then thought "I've spent enough time on this already - if there's more to the story, some commenter'll figure it out". And so one did!

I actually deliberately changed the pg=Mz9ah bit on the end of the URL to something else (just the "h" to a "g") the first time I visited, just to screw his system up - but it still worked :-). Neverfold.net also sets no fewer than six cookies whenever you visit, which may or may not have something to do with this.

This puts Mr Jubenville pretty clearly in the "shameless, if incompetent, swindler" category, doesn't it? I wonder if all of the other sites that use the same come-on text are using the same system?

]]> by: tom2ndmate http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/19/im-also-an-expert-on-artificial-flowers-oneiromancy-and-marmosets/#comment-4571 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:43:35 +0000 http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/19/im-also-an-expert-on-artificial-flowers-oneiromancy-and-marmosets/#comment-4571 Dan, it appears that an initial visit to the URL http://www.neverfold.net from a given source IP does NOT show the dansdata link. However, if you then visit the special URL in the email you received, http://www.neverfold.net?pg=Mz9ah, neverfold.net apparently does something fancy like caching the source IP address, and subsequent accesses from that source IP to neverfold.net via either URL DO show the dansdata link. So the scam may be that neverfold.net appears to link to dansdata when you check their site, but most visitors to neverfold.net using the regular URL never see the link to dansdata. Dan, it appears that an initial visit to the URL http://www.neverfold.net from a given source IP does NOT show the dansdata link. However, if you then visit the special URL in the email you received, http://www.neverfold.net?pg=Mz9ah, neverfold.net apparently does something fancy like caching the source IP address, and subsequent accesses from that source IP to neverfold.net via either URL DO show the dansdata link. So the scam may be that neverfold.net appears to link to dansdata when you check their site, but most visitors to neverfold.net using the regular URL never see the link to dansdata.

]]> by: iworm http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/19/im-also-an-expert-on-artificial-flowers-oneiromancy-and-marmosets/#comment-4570 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:45:42 +0000 http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/19/im-also-an-expert-on-artificial-flowers-oneiromancy-and-marmosets/#comment-4570 These folks interest me! No, not specifically the Poker-heads, but the whole link-spamming-farming thing. There's obviously money in it - they would not do it otherwise. So we have meaningless tangles of links generating dosh. It smacks of being a classic bubble thing - one day the whole thing must go pop. Or must it? That's the bit that piques my interest: is the whole link-farming thing doomed to one day collapse in on itself or is it actually a, however bizarre, sustainable business? These folks interest me! No, not specifically the Poker-heads, but the whole link-spamming-farming thing. There's obviously money in it - they would not do it otherwise. So we have meaningless tangles of links generating dosh. It smacks of being a classic bubble thing - one day the whole thing must go pop. Or must it? That's the bit that piques my interest: is the whole link-farming thing doomed to one day collapse in on itself or is it actually a, however bizarre, sustainable business?

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