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	<title>Comments on: Greener Gadgets: This time for sure!</title>
	<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/02/greener-gadgets-this-time-for-sure/</link>
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		<title>by: Kimmo</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/02/greener-gadgets-this-time-for-sure/#comment-5500</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:27:21 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Aside from the RF transparency of the cardboard case, it looks like it'd do a hell of a lot less than an ordinary case to protect its guts from the likes of spilt coffee...

Still pretty cool though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Aside from the RF transparency of the cardboard case, it looks like it'd do a hell of a lot less than an ordinary case to protect its guts from the likes of spilt coffee...</p>
	<p>Still pretty cool though.
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		<title>by: Harald Hansen</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/02/greener-gadgets-this-time-for-sure/#comment-4549</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/02/greener-gadgets-this-time-for-sure/#comment-4549</guid>
					<description>Most of these submissions seems like they're straight out of halfbakery.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Most of these submissions seems like they're straight out of halfbakery.com.
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		<title>by: Stark</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/02/greener-gadgets-this-time-for-sure/#comment-4496</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 03:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/02/greener-gadgets-this-time-for-sure/#comment-4496</guid>
					<description>Yeah, I got that it's only supposed to be 12 volts... but then again I've seen people manage to make the standard US 120 volts into 240 and, on one memorable occasion involving two different household power feeds, 480V without intending to.  The 480 volt incident did involve a fatality.  The un-intentional 240V upgrade didn't kill anybody but it did destroy a kitchen full of appliances.  Coffee makers meant for 120V catch fire rather quickly when supplied with 240V - turns out many of them aren't internally fused and when the sometimes electrician removes all the GFCI gear (cause it keeps tripping) and then bypasses the circuit breaker because it kept tripping for &quot;no reason&quot; as well.... well, hilarity ensues (as long as it's not your house and nobody get hurt in the process).  The amateur electrician in question was sure he knew what he was doing so it had to be the safety equipment that was at fault, not his wiring - the  insurance inspector disagreed.

Never underestimate the ability of a home tinkerer with too many tools and not enough common sense (or electrical education) to do things you previously thought impossible.  And.... like I said, amateur electricians plus DC in the walls = entertaining reading!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yeah, I got that it's only supposed to be 12 volts... but then again I've seen people manage to make the standard US 120 volts into 240 and, on one memorable occasion involving two different household power feeds, 480V without intending to.  The 480 volt incident did involve a fatality.  The un-intentional 240V upgrade didn't kill anybody but it did destroy a kitchen full of appliances.  Coffee makers meant for 120V catch fire rather quickly when supplied with 240V - turns out many of them aren't internally fused and when the sometimes electrician removes all the GFCI gear (cause it keeps tripping) and then bypasses the circuit breaker because it kept tripping for "no reason" as well.... well, hilarity ensues (as long as it's not your house and nobody get hurt in the process).  The amateur electrician in question was sure he knew what he was doing so it had to be the safety equipment that was at fault, not his wiring - the  insurance inspector disagreed.</p>
	<p>Never underestimate the ability of a home tinkerer with too many tools and not enough common sense (or electrical education) to do things you previously thought impossible.  And.... like I said, amateur electricians plus DC in the walls = entertaining reading!
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		<title>by: Popup</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/02/greener-gadgets-this-time-for-sure/#comment-4495</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>When I was a kid we wired my parents home with 12V (And 'thin' ethernet, phone lines and twisted pair - none of which is used in this era of wi-fi and DECT). There was big (inefficient) transformer in the attic, and thick cables to the basement and the garage. The main problem was that as soon as you tried to draw any serious current the voltage dropped dramatically.

Modern switched power supplies aren't bad. The only problem is that there's no standardised connections. (Or rather that there are too many standards...) Surprisingly USB is starting to become a standard for 5V up to 1.5A. 
All we need now is a similar standard for 12V (preferably up to, say, 5A). I'd propose the Molex floppy connector, but it's probably too expensive. The sata power connector is probably cheaper to make as it's just an edge connector.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>When I was a kid we wired my parents home with 12V (And 'thin' ethernet, phone lines and twisted pair - none of which is used in this era of wi-fi and DECT). There was big (inefficient) transformer in the attic, and thick cables to the basement and the garage. The main problem was that as soon as you tried to draw any serious current the voltage dropped dramatically.</p>
	<p>Modern switched power supplies aren't bad. The only problem is that there's no standardised connections. (Or rather that there are too many standards...) Surprisingly USB is starting to become a standard for 5V up to 1.5A.<br />
All we need now is a similar standard for 12V (preferably up to, say, 5A). I'd propose the Molex floppy connector, but it's probably too expensive. The sata power connector is probably cheaper to make as it's just an edge connector.
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		<title>by: Daniel Rutter</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/02/greener-gadgets-this-time-for-sure/#comment-4494</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The whole-house DC system was only meant to be 12 volts, so electrocution wouldn't be a problem. The proposal glosses over how it would actually be implemented, though, and the devil is of course in those details.

Plugpack circuitry integrated into every power point? One big switchmode DC supply in the basement and chunky wires to every outlet? Separate solar-powered grid-independent circuits? I don't think there's any really elegant way to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The whole-house DC system was only meant to be 12 volts, so electrocution wouldn't be a problem. The proposal glosses over how it would actually be implemented, though, and the devil is of course in those details.</p>
	<p>Plugpack circuitry integrated into every power point? One big switchmode DC supply in the basement and chunky wires to every outlet? Separate solar-powered grid-independent circuits? I don't think there's any really elegant way to do it.
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		<title>by: Stark</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/02/greener-gadgets-this-time-for-sure/#comment-4493</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/02/greener-gadgets-this-time-for-sure/#comment-4493</guid>
					<description>I love the idea of a whole house DC system... it would make for amusing accident report reading. Nothing like watching a  home DIYer become stuck to the outlet because they failed to turn off the circuit before they tried that rewire!  

At least with AC it &lt;i&gt;makes&lt;/i&gt; you let go when you get zapped.  Or so I've heard... I mean not that I have any personal experience here.... no, we will not discuss the tweezer incident when I was 8.  Besides, it wasn't that big a fire and we needed a new TV in any case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I love the idea of a whole house DC system... it would make for amusing accident report reading. Nothing like watching a  home DIYer become stuck to the outlet because they failed to turn off the circuit before they tried that rewire!  </p>
	<p>At least with AC it <i>makes</i> you let go when you get zapped.  Or so I've heard... I mean not that I have any personal experience here.... no, we will not discuss the tweezer incident when I was 8.  Besides, it wasn't that big a fire and we needed a new TV in any case.
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		<title>by: Daniel Rutter</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/02/greener-gadgets-this-time-for-sure/#comment-4471</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh, yeah, that's a thought - a computer built in that case would be illegal to sell in most countries! The case itself would probably be illegal in many places, too.

There's no real problem with making a computer in a cardboard box or with all of the bits hung on the wall or whatever - it'll interfere a bit with nearby radios and TVs, but won't be a serious interference source like, for instance, an old-fashioned spark-gap radio transmitter.

But it's still, usually, very much illegal to actually sell such computers. Cases with windows in the side may be technically illegal, too.

(I've mentioned this occasionally in reviews, like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dansdata.com/pc60b.htm&quot;&gt;this old one&lt;/a&gt;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh, yeah, that's a thought - a computer built in that case would be illegal to sell in most countries! The case itself would probably be illegal in many places, too.</p>
	<p>There's no real problem with making a computer in a cardboard box or with all of the bits hung on the wall or whatever - it'll interfere a bit with nearby radios and TVs, but won't be a serious interference source like, for instance, an old-fashioned spark-gap radio transmitter.</p>
	<p>But it's still, usually, very much illegal to actually sell such computers. Cases with windows in the side may be technically illegal, too.</p>
	<p>(I've mentioned this occasionally in reviews, like <a href="http://www.dansdata.com/pc60b.htm">this old one</a>.)
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		<title>by: Matt</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/02/greener-gadgets-this-time-for-sure/#comment-4470</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Concerning the cardboard computer case - what about RFI?</description>
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		<title>by: hye</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/02/greener-gadgets-this-time-for-sure/#comment-4469</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Re: the urban fan

The solution to the problem of conservation of angular momentum is to use counter-rotating blades.  Of course, that would only add to the mass/complexity and increase the fixture support problem, but that could be solved by the rotors constantly spinning to generate lift for itself...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Re: the urban fan</p>
	<p>The solution to the problem of conservation of angular momentum is to use counter-rotating blades.  Of course, that would only add to the mass/complexity and increase the fixture support problem, but that could be solved by the rotors constantly spinning to generate lift for itself...
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		<title>by: TwoHedWlf</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/03/02/greener-gadgets-this-time-for-sure/#comment-4466</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Corinoco, I've already done that.  But it's not real time.:)  In case you're interested, my reef tank peaked at about 2kw, my other two freshwater tanks at 600 and 300w.  Everything else was relatively small.  I need to throw it on my computer actually, I haven't done it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Corinoco, I've already done that.  But it's not real time.:)  In case you're interested, my reef tank peaked at about 2kw, my other two freshwater tanks at 600 and 300w.  Everything else was relatively small.  I need to throw it on my computer actually, I haven't done it...
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