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		<title>by: zoesanders</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/01/22/ten-trillionth-times-a-charm/#comment-8097</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 17:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Here are charming homes that you ad your family will surely enjoy! <a href="http://www.cobourghomes.ca" rel="nofollow">Cobourg real estate</a> for nature lover, <a href="http://www.oshawahouses.ca" rel="nofollow">Oshawa real estate</a> for family get together and <a href="http://www.woodbridgehouses.ca" rel="nofollow">Woodbridge real estate</a> for serenity and peace.
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		<title>by: Eschatonic</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/01/22/ten-trillionth-times-a-charm/#comment-4171</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>My issue with casting the Thin White Duke as Tesla is that he had the sort of look about him that, just slightly, hinted that if the Austrian accent got a bit too much he might start singing The Laughing Gnome. Personally I thought it was a bit unsettling but possibly I was just subconciously reacting to his asymetric pupils.
On the other hand it made me think of Wendy Richards and Mike Sarne singing 'Come Outside' which is no bad thing at all.
As for the young lady - it's not like a case of these Siberian Huskies is it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_husky
IMHO I think that 'scale' is a subject that warrants being taught as a general curriculum requirement at school because it's so important and so staggeringly misjudged. The other day I offered an 11 year old the choice between a plastic pot full of 10 cent coins or a 5 buck note as payment for a trivial job. Yep - that job cost me 5 bucks. Next time he's gonna get magic beans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My issue with casting the Thin White Duke as Tesla is that he had the sort of look about him that, just slightly, hinted that if the Austrian accent got a bit too much he might start singing The Laughing Gnome. Personally I thought it was a bit unsettling but possibly I was just subconciously reacting to his asymetric pupils.<br />
On the other hand it made me think of Wendy Richards and Mike Sarne singing 'Come Outside' which is no bad thing at all.<br />
As for the young lady - it's not like a case of these Siberian Huskies is it? <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_husky' rel='nofollow'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_husky</a><br />
IMHO I think that 'scale' is a subject that warrants being taught as a general curriculum requirement at school because it's so important and so staggeringly misjudged. The other day I offered an 11 year old the choice between a plastic pot full of 10 cent coins or a 5 buck note as payment for a trivial job. Yep - that job cost me 5 bucks. Next time he's gonna get magic beans.
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		<title>by: Jonadab</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/01/22/ten-trillionth-times-a-charm/#comment-4167</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The main reason, IMO, that people consistently overvalue lottery tickets, is because they have a rather poor and very underestimated conception of how many people there are in the world generally, in their *part* of the world, and, most particularly, in the population of competing ticket buyers.  If a $50 million prize is being given away, they're typically selling *billions* of dollars worth of tickets.  This is easy to do.  

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that we're talking about the Ohio Super Lotto.  (I don't think that's current any more, but I'm using it as an example because I know how it worked, because it was current when I still watched television and thus saw the lottery adverts.)  The population of the state is well over ten million people, so if 30% of them buy tickets (which is, I'm pretty sure, conservative), and of the people who buy tickets if the average expenditure is only $10 (which is also almost certainly a lowball estimate), that's $30 million in tickets sold.  The jackpot in this game went up by a million each time there was no winner, as I recall, and then reset, so a jackpot of $10 million implies it's gone up nine times, for a total of $270 million in ticket sales, conservatively, which makes every dollar's &quot;worth&quot; of tickets *actually* worth less than four cents.  In practice, I'm pretty sure it's actually worse than that, because the ticket sales increase as the jackpot rises, and because my figures are, in a word, kind.  And Ohio has since done away with the Super Lotto in favor of (presumably) even more lucrative (i.e., overpriced) games.

mlipphardt, just to clarify, are you suggesting that Mila Kunis should have been cast as Tesla in The Prestige?

Regarding the difference in her eye colors:  to me it looks like she has basically the same colors in both eyes, or at least very similar, but the inner (more brownish) color takes up a larger percentage of the area of one iris, and the outer (blue-grey-ish) color covers a larger percentage of the area of the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The main reason, IMO, that people consistently overvalue lottery tickets, is because they have a rather poor and very underestimated conception of how many people there are in the world generally, in their *part* of the world, and, most particularly, in the population of competing ticket buyers.  If a $50 million prize is being given away, they're typically selling *billions* of dollars worth of tickets.  This is easy to do.  </p>
	<p>Let's say, for the sake of argument, that we're talking about the Ohio Super Lotto.  (I don't think that's current any more, but I'm using it as an example because I know how it worked, because it was current when I still watched television and thus saw the lottery adverts.)  The population of the state is well over ten million people, so if 30% of them buy tickets (which is, I'm pretty sure, conservative), and of the people who buy tickets if the average expenditure is only $10 (which is also almost certainly a lowball estimate), that's $30 million in tickets sold.  The jackpot in this game went up by a million each time there was no winner, as I recall, and then reset, so a jackpot of $10 million implies it's gone up nine times, for a total of $270 million in ticket sales, conservatively, which makes every dollar's "worth" of tickets *actually* worth less than four cents.  In practice, I'm pretty sure it's actually worse than that, because the ticket sales increase as the jackpot rises, and because my figures are, in a word, kind.  And Ohio has since done away with the Super Lotto in favor of (presumably) even more lucrative (i.e., overpriced) games.</p>
	<p>mlipphardt, just to clarify, are you suggesting that Mila Kunis should have been cast as Tesla in The Prestige?</p>
	<p>Regarding the difference in her eye colors:  to me it looks like she has basically the same colors in both eyes, or at least very similar, but the inner (more brownish) color takes up a larger percentage of the area of one iris, and the outer (blue-grey-ish) color covers a larger percentage of the area of the other.
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		<title>by: Jonadab</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/01/22/ten-trillionth-times-a-charm/#comment-4165</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&amp;gt; I had to have a talk with a (well educated) co-worker
&amp;gt; who was convinced buying 100 scratchies in a row 
&amp;gt; would significantly increase his chances of winning

I suppose &quot;well-educated&quot; is relative to the bulk of society, but really, shouldn't a really good education include at least a basic prob-and-stats class?  I mean, yes, sure, it improves his chances of winning, by epsilon, but it also increases his losses proportionately.  If buying a $1 lottery ticket means on average you lose $0.9975, then buying $100 in tickets means you lose on average $99.75.  

Of course, it's not quite that bad, because the lottery outfits have discovered that frequent small &quot;winnings&quot; (reduced losses) make people spend more on tickets.  So in the real world a $1 lottery purchase may only lose you, on average, somewhere between thirty and seventy cents, depending on jurisdiction, and thus a $100 purchase loses you between thirty and seventy dollars.  But that's still worse than never buying any and breaking even every time.

&amp;gt; I made nearly $90 back in winnings, 

In other words, you're out $10 net, when all is said and done, i.e., 10% of the *official* list price of the tickets you bought.  But since the tickets you bought are sold at *way* more than 10x markup over their real value, it was still not, fiscally speaking, a good investment.

Of course, if you figure you got $10 worth of enjoyment out of scratching the stupid things off, then it's no worse than spending $10 in quarters at the arcade, and 50% cheaper than spending $15 to pay Laser Tag for a minute and a half.  But personally I don't understand how anyone who has even a vague understanding of the probabilities involved could get $10 worth of entertainment out of scratching off a hundred lottery tickets.  What a boring and tedious way to spend three minutes!

&amp;gt; but I certainly don’t believe I actually
&amp;gt; improved my chances of cracking The Big One.

Technically you did, but not by enough to be worth anywhere near the $10 you spent, or anywhere near $1 for that matter.

And I'm assuming here, benefit of the doubt, that you got the $90 back in cash, not in &quot;free&quot; tickets.  (Free tickets would be worth only a fraction of a percent of their face value, so in that case you'd still be out nearly the full hundred bucks, though you could count the added joy of scratching off that many more tickets as an underwhelming benefit.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&gt; I had to have a talk with a (well educated) co-worker<br />
&gt; who was convinced buying 100 scratchies in a row<br />
&gt; would significantly increase his chances of winning</p>
	<p>I suppose "well-educated" is relative to the bulk of society, but really, shouldn't a really good education include at least a basic prob-and-stats class?  I mean, yes, sure, it improves his chances of winning, by epsilon, but it also increases his losses proportionately.  If buying a $1 lottery ticket means on average you lose $0.9975, then buying $100 in tickets means you lose on average $99.75.  </p>
	<p>Of course, it's not quite that bad, because the lottery outfits have discovered that frequent small "winnings" (reduced losses) make people spend more on tickets.  So in the real world a $1 lottery purchase may only lose you, on average, somewhere between thirty and seventy cents, depending on jurisdiction, and thus a $100 purchase loses you between thirty and seventy dollars.  But that's still worse than never buying any and breaking even every time.</p>
	<p>&gt; I made nearly $90 back in winnings, </p>
	<p>In other words, you're out $10 net, when all is said and done, i.e., 10% of the *official* list price of the tickets you bought.  But since the tickets you bought are sold at *way* more than 10x markup over their real value, it was still not, fiscally speaking, a good investment.</p>
	<p>Of course, if you figure you got $10 worth of enjoyment out of scratching the stupid things off, then it's no worse than spending $10 in quarters at the arcade, and 50% cheaper than spending $15 to pay Laser Tag for a minute and a half.  But personally I don't understand how anyone who has even a vague understanding of the probabilities involved could get $10 worth of entertainment out of scratching off a hundred lottery tickets.  What a boring and tedious way to spend three minutes!</p>
	<p>&gt; but I certainly don’t believe I actually<br />
&gt; improved my chances of cracking The Big One.</p>
	<p>Technically you did, but not by enough to be worth anywhere near the $10 you spent, or anywhere near $1 for that matter.</p>
	<p>And I'm assuming here, benefit of the doubt, that you got the $90 back in cash, not in "free" tickets.  (Free tickets would be worth only a fraction of a percent of their face value, so in that case you'd still be out nearly the full hundred bucks, though you could count the added joy of scratching off that many more tickets as an underwhelming benefit.)
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		<title>by: violet</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/01/22/ten-trillionth-times-a-charm/#comment-4164</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Indeed it is! Excellent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Indeed it is! Excellent.
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		<title>by: SA Penguin</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/01/22/ten-trillionth-times-a-charm/#comment-4163</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 08:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>If you consider a &quot;motor&quot; as a device that converts energy into rotational force (torque), and your goal is to magnetic fields BUT NOT electicity, I must ask... are you re-inventing the radiometer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If you consider a "motor" as a device that converts energy into rotational force (torque), and your goal is to magnetic fields BUT NOT electicity, I must ask... are you re-inventing the radiometer?
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		<title>by: Daniel Rutter</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/01/22/ten-trillionth-times-a-charm/#comment-4157</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I believe you're referring to &lt;a href=&quot;http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~kovar/hall.html&quot;&gt;Electron Band Structure In Germanium, My Ass&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I believe you're referring to <a href="http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~kovar/hall.html">Electron Band Structure In Germanium, My Ass</a>.
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		<title>by: violet</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/01/22/ten-trillionth-times-a-charm/#comment-4156</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This article got us talking about high school lab classes, so a quick question: somewhere, at some point, you linked to a college lab report which actually told the truth--our data was shite, it bears no relationship to the maths, and I should have gone into computers science (or maybe English).

I can't find it at all. I remember it being hilarious. Do you, perchance, have that link?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This article got us talking about high school lab classes, so a quick question: somewhere, at some point, you linked to a college lab report which actually told the truth--our data was shite, it bears no relationship to the maths, and I should have gone into computers science (or maybe English).</p>
	<p>I can't find it at all. I remember it being hilarious. Do you, perchance, have that link?
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		<title>by: Stoneshop</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/01/22/ten-trillionth-times-a-charm/#comment-4155</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh dear. A navy engineer who can spot your wit, but then fails to notice you're not actually selling stuff, just reviewing it.

Those nuke subs must have leaked not only radioactivity, but also bozons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh dear. A navy engineer who can spot your wit, but then fails to notice you're not actually selling stuff, just reviewing it.</p>
	<p>Those nuke subs must have leaked not only radioactivity, but also bozons.
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		<title>by: Daniel Rutter</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2009/01/22/ten-trillionth-times-a-charm/#comment-4154</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 06:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Bowie doesn't really have different-coloured eyes - he just has one permanently-dilated pupil, from an injury when he was a kid.

Mila Kunis does have different-coloured eyes, but either I'm colour-blind or the difference is only &lt;a href=&quot;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Mila_Kunis_2008.jpg&quot;&gt;small&lt;/a&gt;.
&amp;lt;/nitpick&amp;gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Bowie doesn't really have different-coloured eyes - he just has one permanently-dilated pupil, from an injury when he was a kid.</p>
	<p>Mila Kunis does have different-coloured eyes, but either I'm colour-blind or the difference is only <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Mila_Kunis_2008.jpg">small</a>.<br />
&lt;/nitpick&gt;
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