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		<title>by: Jonadab</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/10/14/unnatural-act-of-the-day/#comment-3395</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 00:34:47 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>On the one hand, just because a kind of animal is domesticable does not imply that you necessarily must deal gently with the ferral ones.  Domestic dogs are widely regarded as just about the best pets in existence, but wild dogs (coyotes, dingoes, whatever you call them) in a metropolitan area are bad news, and the usual method for dealing with them involves trained professionals with firearms.

On the other hand, rats (especially of the size you're talking about, barely larger than field mice) are not nearly so dangerous as wild dogs, and much more common, so if you prefer to live-trap them and take them across town, hey, whatever.  Somebody will probably call an exterminator on their offspring sooner or later, but it's not like you're introducing something that wasn't around in fair quantity already.  Once you've got rats on a given continent, you're pretty much always going to have rats.  That is to say, a &quot;conservation status&quot; of &quot;least concern&quot; is generally another way of saying, &quot;we probably couldn't cause the extinction of these things even if every human on the planet agreed on it as a goal.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>On the one hand, just because a kind of animal is domesticable does not imply that you necessarily must deal gently with the ferral ones.  Domestic dogs are widely regarded as just about the best pets in existence, but wild dogs (coyotes, dingoes, whatever you call them) in a metropolitan area are bad news, and the usual method for dealing with them involves trained professionals with firearms.</p>
	<p>On the other hand, rats (especially of the size you're talking about, barely larger than field mice) are not nearly so dangerous as wild dogs, and much more common, so if you prefer to live-trap them and take them across town, hey, whatever.  Somebody will probably call an exterminator on their offspring sooner or later, but it's not like you're introducing something that wasn't around in fair quantity already.  Once you've got rats on a given continent, you're pretty much always going to have rats.  That is to say, a "conservation status" of "least concern" is generally another way of saying, "we probably couldn't cause the extinction of these things even if every human on the planet agreed on it as a goal."
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		<title>by: unfunk</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/10/14/unnatural-act-of-the-day/#comment-3345</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:07:33 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I know, it's completely uncivilised! They should learn how to use the toilet, for crying out loud!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I know, it's completely uncivilised! They should learn how to use the toilet, for crying out loud!
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		<title>by: frasera</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/10/14/unnatural-act-of-the-day/#comment-3341</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:48:08 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>rats need to die. they piss and sh*t as they wander your house.  it is totally unacceptable.  they aren't endangered, best to use the snap trap, nothing works quite as well</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>rats need to die. they piss and sh*t as they wander your house.  it is totally unacceptable.  they aren't endangered, best to use the snap trap, nothing works quite as well
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		<title>by: Bern</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/10/14/unnatural-act-of-the-day/#comment-3340</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:35:06 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Don't think I've ever seen any of our family cats catch a rat.  Mice?  Yup.  Including a rather astounding 3-second pursuit &amp;amp; capture by our old white cat (named Snowy, what else!) about three weeks before he succumbed to terminal skin cancer at the age of 17.  We had another ginger tabby who caught a fairly sizeable &lt;a&gt;flying fox&lt;/a&gt;, and his brother sadly passed away shortly after dispatching a four-foot &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_brown_snake&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;brown snake&lt;/a&gt;.

Our current cats are kept indoors &amp;amp; in our screened courtyard (for their safety and that of the local wildlife), so they only get to hunt the occasional lizard or grasshopper that foolishly blunders into their lair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Don't think I've ever seen any of our family cats catch a rat.  Mice?  Yup.  Including a rather astounding 3-second pursuit &amp; capture by our old white cat (named Snowy, what else!) about three weeks before he succumbed to terminal skin cancer at the age of 17.  We had another ginger tabby who caught a fairly sizeable <a>flying fox</a>, and his brother sadly passed away shortly after dispatching a four-foot <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_brown_snake" rel="nofollow">brown snake</a>.</p>
	<p>Our current cats are kept indoors &amp; in our screened courtyard (for their safety and that of the local wildlife), so they only get to hunt the occasional lizard or grasshopper that foolishly blunders into their lair.
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		<title>by: tomsk</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/10/14/unnatural-act-of-the-day/#comment-3333</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:43:54 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Cats can be extremely effective rat-killing machines, Victorian rat-catchers used to use them all the time for exactly that purpose, and they're better than terriers because they're small enough to get right inside the guts of a building and really chase the vermin about, but they're big enough to take out the largest rats.  There's a good account of the techniques involved in using cats to kill rats in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/17243&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ike Matthews's memoir of his life as a rat catcher&lt;/a&gt;.

The problem with most house cats is that they're too soft, they've had such an easy life that they lack the killer instinct of, say, a real working farm cat.  But then, you'd not really want a mean old farm cat as a pet.

One of my cats brought in an immature brown rat once, and had no idea what to do with it once it was indoors.  We spent a day chasing it about under the fitted kitchen cabinets before we could get rid of it.  They're completely different from the more usual mice, shrews and voles, fearless and aggressive, and incredibly fast.  Really hard to catch.

I have to say that I do think that you should really get the rats destroyed rather than releasing them.  I don't know about your area, but in some places it's illegal to do otherwise. For all that I think rats are amazing animals, and domesticated ones make great pets, they are destructive vermin, not to mention the fact that they are host to all sorts of entertaining pathogens that you really don't want to expose yourself or anyone else to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Cats can be extremely effective rat-killing machines, Victorian rat-catchers used to use them all the time for exactly that purpose, and they're better than terriers because they're small enough to get right inside the guts of a building and really chase the vermin about, but they're big enough to take out the largest rats.  There's a good account of the techniques involved in using cats to kill rats in <a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/17243" rel="nofollow">Ike Matthews's memoir of his life as a rat catcher</a>.</p>
	<p>The problem with most house cats is that they're too soft, they've had such an easy life that they lack the killer instinct of, say, a real working farm cat.  But then, you'd not really want a mean old farm cat as a pet.</p>
	<p>One of my cats brought in an immature brown rat once, and had no idea what to do with it once it was indoors.  We spent a day chasing it about under the fitted kitchen cabinets before we could get rid of it.  They're completely different from the more usual mice, shrews and voles, fearless and aggressive, and incredibly fast.  Really hard to catch.</p>
	<p>I have to say that I do think that you should really get the rats destroyed rather than releasing them.  I don't know about your area, but in some places it's illegal to do otherwise. For all that I think rats are amazing animals, and domesticated ones make great pets, they are destructive vermin, not to mention the fact that they are host to all sorts of entertaining pathogens that you really don't want to expose yourself or anyone else to.
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		<title>by: FatSteve</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/10/14/unnatural-act-of-the-day/#comment-3332</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:51:57 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Rats also eat house wiring. Dan once posted a photo of what a rabbit did to a bunch of PC cables. In the UK rats are said to cause 7% of house fires due to damaging the wiring. 

Dan, you want to be rid of those creatures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Rats also eat house wiring. Dan once posted a photo of what a rabbit did to a bunch of PC cables. In the UK rats are said to cause 7% of house fires due to damaging the wiring. </p>
	<p>Dan, you want to be rid of those creatures.
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		<title>by: derrida derider</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/10/14/unnatural-act-of-the-day/#comment-3331</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:30:02 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Not to join in the abuse, Dan, but it really is not a Good Thing to release feral pests.

You're most unlikely to have caught a native rat (Rattus fuscipes) - they are extremely shy and prefer dense bush to suburbia. Feral cats and competition from black rats (Rattus rattus) and Brown Rats (Rattus norvegicus) have made them moderately rare anyway. So your rats are almost certainly another gift from Europe to the Australian environment.

Exterminate the brutes, I say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Not to join in the abuse, Dan, but it really is not a Good Thing to release feral pests.</p>
	<p>You're most unlikely to have caught a native rat (Rattus fuscipes) - they are extremely shy and prefer dense bush to suburbia. Feral cats and competition from black rats (Rattus rattus) and Brown Rats (Rattus norvegicus) have made them moderately rare anyway. So your rats are almost certainly another gift from Europe to the Australian environment.</p>
	<p>Exterminate the brutes, I say.
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		<title>by: LucusLoC</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/10/14/unnatural-act-of-the-day/#comment-3330</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:48:35 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>stark:

Rat terriers do indeed seem to be good for killing small vermin. Some friends of ours have 3 that kill more than their 4 cats. terriers also have a tendency to be less. . . generous. . . than the cats. Which is good, because you don't have to worry about small, cold bodies in the sheets.

Every now and then, though, you get a dud. Our rat terrier, Jake, is absolutely terrified of mice and gophers. </description>
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	<p>Rat terriers do indeed seem to be good for killing small vermin. Some friends of ours have 3 that kill more than their 4 cats. terriers also have a tendency to be less. . . generous. . . than the cats. Which is good, because you don't have to worry about small, cold bodies in the sheets.</p>
	<p>Every now and then, though, you get a dud. Our rat terrier, Jake, is absolutely terrified of mice and gophers.
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		<title>by: Red October</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/10/14/unnatural-act-of-the-day/#comment-3329</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:40:51 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for the enlightenment about Aussie houses.  Basementless would've been my guess but it's always nicer to know.  Expecting a basement is all fine and dandy most of the time, but I knew of a family who upon moving to Florida, commissioned a house with a second story.  Not only were the builders usnure of just how to go about doing this, as single-level dwellings were the norm for all but the largest of houses in that area (due to heat build-up and the requirement for large air con units to balance it out), but when they went to make use of the upstairs bath tub, it fell through the floor.  Now I only knew these people distantly so I've know knowledge of the quality of the builders, but it goes to show...

Oh yeah.. rats... rats... Yeah, I suppose see what they think of the litter pan!  Sharp idea!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks for the enlightenment about Aussie houses.  Basementless would've been my guess but it's always nicer to know.  Expecting a basement is all fine and dandy most of the time, but I knew of a family who upon moving to Florida, commissioned a house with a second story.  Not only were the builders usnure of just how to go about doing this, as single-level dwellings were the norm for all but the largest of houses in that area (due to heat build-up and the requirement for large air con units to balance it out), but when they went to make use of the upstairs bath tub, it fell through the floor.  Now I only knew these people distantly so I've know knowledge of the quality of the builders, but it goes to show...</p>
	<p>Oh yeah.. rats... rats... Yeah, I suppose see what they think of the litter pan!  Sharp idea!
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		<title>by: Thuli</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/10/14/unnatural-act-of-the-day/#comment-3328</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:34:26 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Not so, I used to have two domestic rats as pets, didn't prevent me from being quite pleased to see the little wild vermin who'd been gnawing on my fruit bowl dead as a doornail in the trap. It's illegal in australia to release a live trapped rat, for a reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Not so, I used to have two domestic rats as pets, didn't prevent me from being quite pleased to see the little wild vermin who'd been gnawing on my fruit bowl dead as a doornail in the trap. It's illegal in australia to release a live trapped rat, for a reason.
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