Comments on: Further Freudian illumination http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/22/further-freudian-illumination/ the blog that is not dansdata.com Sun, 12 Feb 2012 17:04:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: twinbee http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/22/further-freudian-illumination/#comment-6854 Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:45:53 +0100 http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/22/further-freudian-illumination/#comment-6854 I gave up on the 85w CFL too, and instead bought a 1kw halogen floodlight which I think churns out as much light as your 250-watt CFL here. It's a nice little heater in the winter too. For comparison: 100w incandescent (@220v) = 1380 lumens 85w CFL = around 5000-7000 lumens 1000w halogen floodlight = around 20000-25000 lumens (16 100w bulbs worth!) Even the floodlight is not good enough to illuminate the infinitely detailed light-eating surface of say, a mandelbulb, and perhaps more importantly it's still pretty dull for general viewing in my living room. I'd be much happier with 2, 4, or even 8kw's worth. Better than nothing though. After briefly trying a standard 20w CFL again recently, I can't believe how 'cave-like' it is - I'd never go back despite it seeming 'okayish' at the time. And to think almost everyone uses them... ;) I gave up on the 85w CFL too, and instead bought a 1kw halogen floodlight which I think churns out as much light as your 250-watt CFL here. It's a nice little heater in the winter too.

For comparison:
100w incandescent (@220v) = 1380 lumens
85w CFL = around 5000-7000 lumens
1000w halogen floodlight = around 20000-25000 lumens (16 100w bulbs worth!)

Even the floodlight is not good enough to illuminate the infinitely detailed light-eating surface of say, a mandelbulb, and perhaps more importantly it's still pretty dull for general viewing in my living room. I'd be much happier with 2, 4, or even 8kw's worth.

Better than nothing though.

After briefly trying a standard 20w CFL again recently, I can't believe how 'cave-like' it is - I'd never go back despite it seeming 'okayish' at the time. And to think almost everyone uses them... ;)

]]> by: PlanetBulb http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/22/further-freudian-illumination/#comment-6197 Sat, 09 Jan 2010 04:40:15 +0000 http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/22/further-freudian-illumination/#comment-6197 We have some of the monsters in a slightly different version. Instead of a ton of duo-tubes on one base we have one large spiral tube. I think it looks better. Ours 85w is medium screw base so you can use it in any normal fixutre. The larger 105w sp medium base or mogul base so you can put it in more fixtures. For those of you wondering how big these monster energy savers actually are please check out our <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9tRUES3ijo" rel="nofollow">High watt spiral video</a> If you're interested in ordering some or viewing more information here are the links to the details: <a href="http://www.planetbulbstore.com/sp105-med.html" rel="nofollow">105w medium base</a> <a href="http://www.planetbulbstore.com/sp105-41-mog.html" rel="nofollow">105w mogul base</a> <a href="http://www.planetbulbstore.com/sp85-med.html" rel="nofollow">85w medium base</a> We have some of the monsters in a slightly different version. Instead of a ton of duo-tubes on one base we have one large spiral tube. I think it looks better. Ours 85w is medium screw base so you can use it in any normal fixutre. The larger 105w sp medium base or mogul base so you can put it in more fixtures.

For those of you wondering how big these monster energy savers actually are please check out our High watt spiral video

If you're interested in ordering some or viewing more information here are the links to the details:
105w medium base
105w mogul base
85w medium base

]]> by: KeithH http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/22/further-freudian-illumination/#comment-3647 Fri, 28 Nov 2008 05:17:43 +0000 http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/22/further-freudian-illumination/#comment-3647 Let me clarify my earlier post (#9). I'm looking to buy, in a store or on the web, 2 kinds of CFLs that I have been unable to find: 1) A three-way, 50-200-250 (or higher) watt equivalent CFL, with a standard-size socket. 2) A three-way 100-200-300 (or higher) watt equivalent CFL, with a mogul socket. HELP! Let me clarify my earlier post (#9).

I'm looking to buy, in a store or on the web, 2 kinds of CFLs that I have been unable to find:

1) A three-way, 50-200-250 (or higher) watt equivalent CFL, with a standard-size socket.

2) A three-way 100-200-300 (or higher) watt equivalent CFL, with a mogul socket.

HELP!

]]> by: KeithH http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/22/further-freudian-illumination/#comment-3636 Thu, 27 Nov 2008 04:40:26 +0000 http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/22/further-freudian-illumination/#comment-3636 Unbelievable! The largest CFL I can find in stores here (in NYC) is a 300 Watt equivalent (for $15). I'm still looking for 2 CFL's. Does anyone know where I can get (on the web?): 1) A 50-200-250 (or higher) watt equivalent -- std socket. 2) A 100-200-300 (or higher) watt equiv. -- Mogul socket. Unbelievable! The largest CFL I can find in stores here (in NYC) is a 300 Watt equivalent (for $15).

I'm still looking for 2 CFL's. Does anyone know where I can get (on the web?):

1) A 50-200-250 (or higher) watt equivalent -- std socket.
2) A 100-200-300 (or higher) watt equiv. -- Mogul socket.

]]> by: Dougally http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/22/further-freudian-illumination/#comment-3445 Sat, 01 Nov 2008 11:56:08 +0000 http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/22/further-freudian-illumination/#comment-3445 I work for one of the mid size Aussie retailers in the dept managing their warehouses. Using similar sized CFL lights has saved 30% of the lighting electricity bill on lighting in our existing warehouses with higher lux output than our previous metal halide units. In our new warehouses we will be able to space these further apart saving perhaps 40%?? on the electricity bill for equivalent lux lighting levels as metal halide. Do a web search on Lear &amp; Smith of Tuggerah NSW - They come in 200w and 300w units. The 300W replaces our 420w metal halides. We get volume pricing so it is better you get your own pricing. However a ballpark guide of AUD $200-$400 including polished reflector style high bay fitting and starter, plus extra $ for a diffuser in pre-dollar drop due to world financial crisis pricing terms. At a equivalent light output of 420w, these only just manage to fall on the industrial end of the application range !) They may not be the biggest CFL's, but are likely to perform more reliably in the long run than the the chinese cheapies you can find with a web search. Good luck in your application inventiveness!!! I work for one of the mid size Aussie retailers in the dept managing their warehouses. Using similar sized CFL lights has saved 30% of the lighting electricity bill on lighting in our existing warehouses with higher lux output than our previous metal halide units. In our new warehouses we will be able to space these further apart saving perhaps 40%?? on the electricity bill for equivalent lux lighting levels as metal halide.

Do a web search on Lear & Smith of Tuggerah NSW - They come in 200w and 300w units. The 300W replaces our 420w metal halides. We get volume pricing so it is better you get your own pricing. However a ballpark guide of AUD $200-$400 including polished reflector style high bay fitting and starter, plus extra $ for a diffuser in pre-dollar drop due to world financial crisis pricing terms.

At a equivalent light output of 420w, these only just manage to fall on the industrial end of the application range !)

They may not be the biggest CFL's, but are likely to perform more reliably in the long run than the the chinese cheapies you can find with a web search.

Good luck in your application inventiveness!!!

]]> by: Red October http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/22/further-freudian-illumination/#comment-2895 Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:22:36 +0100 http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/22/further-freudian-illumination/#comment-2895 Fah! Stateside the E40 Mogul base has two common uses- some very large indeed lamps for things like warehouses and the like, and similarly large 3-way (that is, having three intensities. I'm not sure if this term is common elsewhere) floor lamps. Some are "Torchier" types and others have a sort of candelabra arrangement with three smaller (Edison base) globes around the main lamp. In both cases the lamp sits in a sort of glass "bowl". Shades can be used with them but they look OK without them provided you use the dim orange flame-shaped bulbs in the outer sockets. They can really throw a LOT of light, but can draw beyond half a kilowatt on full (The E40 has 3 settings; 100, 200, and 300 watts -hence a "3-way"). In theory such a large CFL could easily be supplied by such a lamp although it might stick out the top and look stupid. There might also be an issue with socket clearance as the socket is recessed into the lamp a bit. Fah!
Stateside the E40 Mogul base has two common uses- some very large indeed lamps for things like warehouses and the like, and similarly large 3-way (that is, having three intensities. I'm not sure if this term is common elsewhere) floor lamps. Some are "Torchier" types and others have a sort of candelabra arrangement with three smaller (Edison base) globes around the main lamp. In both cases the lamp sits in a sort of glass "bowl". Shades can be used with them but they look OK without them provided you use the dim orange flame-shaped bulbs in the outer sockets. They can really throw a LOT of light, but can draw beyond half a kilowatt on full (The E40 has 3 settings; 100, 200, and 300 watts -hence a "3-way").

In theory such a large CFL could easily be supplied by such a lamp although it might stick out the top and look stupid. There might also be an issue with socket clearance as the socket is recessed into the lamp a bit.

]]> by: frasera http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/22/further-freudian-illumination/#comment-2894 Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:09:03 +0100 http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/22/further-freudian-illumination/#comment-2894 lol grow lights:) pot heads rejoice! less heat signature! less obvious power consumption:P as for home lighting, generally a bad idea for all but the biggest rooms. lighting design affects mood and appearance of rooms. it is better to have multiple lights of different types such as task and ambient lighting to create a good look/mood that is pleasant instead of a warehouse glare. and of course a room that is too bright at night can mess with your body clock. there are books on this stuff in the home improvement section of bookstores of course. lol grow lights:) pot heads rejoice! less heat signature!
less obvious power consumption:P

as for home lighting, generally a bad idea for all but the biggest rooms. lighting design affects mood and appearance of rooms. it is better to have multiple lights of different types such as task and ambient lighting to create a good look/mood that is pleasant instead of a warehouse glare. and of course a room that is too bright at night can mess with your body clock. there are books on this stuff in the home improvement section of bookstores of course.

]]> by: FuzzyPlushroom http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/22/further-freudian-illumination/#comment-2890 Sat, 23 Aug 2008 03:28:54 +0100 http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/22/further-freudian-illumination/#comment-2890 Now I've got to go find some 85-watters with a standard E26 Edison screw on 'em... These are just <i>too large</i>. If it's over a foot long, it better mount sideways by default - and none of our sockets do. Crazy. DominicT, I'm gonna hazard a guess that they're just having a bitch-fit because the smaller bulbs are more practical... Now I've got to go find some 85-watters with a standard E26 Edison screw on 'em... These are just too large. If it's over a foot long, it better mount sideways by default - and none of our sockets do. Crazy.

DominicT, I'm gonna hazard a guess that they're just having a bitch-fit because the smaller bulbs are more practical...

]]> by: Stark http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/22/further-freudian-illumination/#comment-2889 Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:20:02 +0100 http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/22/further-freudian-illumination/#comment-2889 They are quite large. The E40 socket is, predicatably enough, 40MM in diameter. So, from a quick bit of image measurment and extrapolation here - the big one in the bottom picture is ~40CM long by 12cm wide. The smaller one is ~34 x 12. These are by no mean exact measuerments... but still, BIG for a light bulb. For any fellow Americans who may still have trouble visualizing metric (and I know lots of us do...sigh)... they are about 15.75"x4.75" and 13.5"x4.75" They are quite large. The E40 socket is, predicatably enough, 40MM in diameter. So, from a quick bit of image measurment and extrapolation here - the big one in the bottom picture is ~40CM long by 12cm wide. The smaller one is ~34 x 12. These are by no mean exact measuerments... but still, BIG for a light bulb.

For any fellow Americans who may still have trouble visualizing metric (and I know lots of us do...sigh)... they are about 15.75"x4.75" and 13.5"x4.75"

]]> by: DominicT http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/22/further-freudian-illumination/#comment-2888 Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:56:36 +0100 http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/22/further-freudian-illumination/#comment-2888 The article at the hydroponics company you linked to is especially scathing about the missing and damaged tube spacers in the unbranded lamps, which they seem to think represent a danger akin to breeding scorpions in your bedroom slippers. I've looked around and can't find such dire warnings about tube spacers elsewhere; any idea what's up with that? The article at the hydroponics company you linked to is especially scathing about the missing and damaged tube spacers in the unbranded lamps, which they seem to think represent a danger akin to breeding scorpions in your bedroom slippers. I've looked around and can't find such dire warnings about tube spacers elsewhere; any idea what's up with that?

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