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		<title>by: PaperDocket</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/06/cheap-usb-box-du-jour/#comment-5168</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:58:50 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/06/cheap-usb-box-du-jour/#comment-5168</guid>
					<description>A late update:

I bought a new 500GB Seagate drive, put it in the USB box and it's working just fine. I copied around one hundred gig of stuff to the box and had no issues with heat, error messages or slowness. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A late update:</p>
	<p>I bought a new 500GB Seagate drive, put it in the USB box and it's working just fine. I copied around one hundred gig of stuff to the box and had no issues with heat, error messages or slowness.
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		<title>by: Daniel Rutter</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/06/cheap-usb-box-du-jour/#comment-2911</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:52:39 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Hard drives get hot mainly because of friction between the spinning platters and the air inside the drive casing. (They don't have throughflow ventilation; there's a little vent with an air filter in it that lets the drive equalise pressure with the air outside, but that tiny filter would clog in no time if air were flowing through it constantly.)

Two drives with the same rotational speed and the same number of platters are likely to have similar heat output if they're both spinning for the same period of time, but modern 3.5-inch drives can actually differ quite a lot in platter &lt;b&gt;size&lt;/b&gt;. Straight high-capacity consumer drives will all probably have platters about as big as can be crammed into the casing, but higher-performance, lower-capacity drives - especially the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dansdata.com/askdan00033.htm&quot;&gt;10,000RPM type&lt;/a&gt; - will commonly have platters that're smaller. That's mainly because a physically smaller platter means the head assembly doesn't have as far to go, which reduces seek time. Smaller platters mean less air friction, all other things being equal (which of course they aren't, if a big-platter drive is 7200RPM and a smaller-platter drive is 10,000RPM).

Apart from that, I think the only things that significantly affect heat output are the power levels of the head &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_coil&quot;&gt;voice coil&lt;/a&gt; and of the spindle motor, which for consumer drives are pretty similar across the board.

Your two drives are presumably both straightforward consumer units with full-sized platters. They probably have the same number of platters, too - just one in each drive - though you'd have to check the model numbers to be sure. So if one of them runs a lot hotter than the other then yes, it is indeed possible that there's something wrong with it, like a voltage regulator that's dumping a lot more watts than it should or a gummed-up bearing that makes the motor work a lot harder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hard drives get hot mainly because of friction between the spinning platters and the air inside the drive casing. (They don't have throughflow ventilation; there's a little vent with an air filter in it that lets the drive equalise pressure with the air outside, but that tiny filter would clog in no time if air were flowing through it constantly.)</p>
	<p>Two drives with the same rotational speed and the same number of platters are likely to have similar heat output if they're both spinning for the same period of time, but modern 3.5-inch drives can actually differ quite a lot in platter <b>size</b>. Straight high-capacity consumer drives will all probably have platters about as big as can be crammed into the casing, but higher-performance, lower-capacity drives - especially the <a href="http://www.dansdata.com/askdan00033.htm">10,000RPM type</a> - will commonly have platters that're smaller. That's mainly because a physically smaller platter means the head assembly doesn't have as far to go, which reduces seek time. Smaller platters mean less air friction, all other things being equal (which of course they aren't, if a big-platter drive is 7200RPM and a smaller-platter drive is 10,000RPM).</p>
	<p>Apart from that, I think the only things that significantly affect heat output are the power levels of the head <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_coil">voice coil</a> and of the spindle motor, which for consumer drives are pretty similar across the board.</p>
	<p>Your two drives are presumably both straightforward consumer units with full-sized platters. They probably have the same number of platters, too - just one in each drive - though you'd have to check the model numbers to be sure. So if one of them runs a lot hotter than the other then yes, it is indeed possible that there's something wrong with it, like a voltage regulator that's dumping a lot more watts than it should or a gummed-up bearing that makes the motor work a lot harder.
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		<title>by: PaperDocket</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/06/cheap-usb-box-du-jour/#comment-2910</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:38:34 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/06/cheap-usb-box-du-jour/#comment-2910</guid>
					<description>The smell has vanished and the drive no longer seems to get dangerously hot. I still see the occasional error in Event Viewer.

I doubt the Astone is the cause of my overheating issues. I mentioned it because I believe the drive it's self is to blame. Overheating, slowness and error reports are of coarse common symptoms of a faulty drive. The fact that this drive is new (fresh out of it's shrink wrap) made me doubt it was the cause. The drive is an RMA replacement...

Seeing as my old 80GB drive in a USB box barely gets warm and it has no fans, not even a single vent, I reckon I can safely blame the drive, not the Astone.

Which brings me to wonder, would an 80GB Seagate drive produce significantly less heat than a 320GB Western Digital drive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The smell has vanished and the drive no longer seems to get dangerously hot. I still see the occasional error in Event Viewer.</p>
	<p>I doubt the Astone is the cause of my overheating issues. I mentioned it because I believe the drive it's self is to blame. Overheating, slowness and error reports are of coarse common symptoms of a faulty drive. The fact that this drive is new (fresh out of it's shrink wrap) made me doubt it was the cause. The drive is an RMA replacement...</p>
	<p>Seeing as my old 80GB drive in a USB box barely gets warm and it has no fans, not even a single vent, I reckon I can safely blame the drive, not the Astone.</p>
	<p>Which brings me to wonder, would an 80GB Seagate drive produce significantly less heat than a 320GB Western Digital drive?
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		<title>by: Daniel Rutter</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/06/cheap-usb-box-du-jour/#comment-2873</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:15:46 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/06/cheap-usb-box-du-jour/#comment-2873</guid>
					<description>Note that my Astone box and its boring Samsung &quot;750Gb&quot; drive have not had any thermal problems, and I've been copying to it for hours on end too. It's not hot where I am at the moment, though, and the Astone is in a place where it gets decent airflow (and is in its stand, standing on edge so it cools better).

It's quite possible that a box like this &lt;b&gt;will&lt;/b&gt; overheat if used for hours constantly when the ambient temperature is high. But so will a bunch of other fan-cooled boxes, when their little fifty-cent fans pack it in after about two months. If you want really good cooling, you need a drive box like a small PC case, with proper long-lived PC fans to move air through it. There are several more or less expensive off-the-shelf options here, but you can of course also pretty easily just &lt;b&gt;use&lt;/b&gt; an old PC case for this job.

I &lt;b&gt;have&lt;/b&gt; managed to get the Astone to create some interesting errors all my own, though. I'll post again when I get them clearly codified :-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Note that my Astone box and its boring Samsung "750Gb" drive have not had any thermal problems, and I've been copying to it for hours on end too. It's not hot where I am at the moment, though, and the Astone is in a place where it gets decent airflow (and is in its stand, standing on edge so it cools better).</p>
	<p>It's quite possible that a box like this <b>will</b> overheat if used for hours constantly when the ambient temperature is high. But so will a bunch of other fan-cooled boxes, when their little fifty-cent fans pack it in after about two months. If you want really good cooling, you need a drive box like a small PC case, with proper long-lived PC fans to move air through it. There are several more or less expensive off-the-shelf options here, but you can of course also pretty easily just <b>use</b> an old PC case for this job.</p>
	<p>I <b>have</b> managed to get the Astone to create some interesting errors all my own, though. I'll post again when I get them clearly codified :-).
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		<title>by: PaperDocket</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/06/cheap-usb-box-du-jour/#comment-2872</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:13:41 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/06/cheap-usb-box-du-jour/#comment-2872</guid>
					<description>Quick update. The drive seems to spit out errors when it gets too hot:

Event Type:	Warning
Event Source:	Disk
Event Category:	None
Event ID:	51

Description:
An error was detected on device \Device\Harddisk1\D during a paging operation.

I had no problems copying 160GB of data. After that I tried copying 60GB from another USB drive on the same system. Around 30 minutes later firefox stopped responding then I saw the above error in Event Viewer 50 times. I reckon the drive it's self is causing my issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Quick update. The drive seems to spit out errors when it gets too hot:</p>
	<p>Event Type:	Warning<br />
Event Source:	Disk<br />
Event Category:	None<br />
Event ID:	51</p>
	<p>Description:<br />
An error was detected on device \Device\Harddisk1\D during a paging operation.</p>
	<p>I had no problems copying 160GB of data. After that I tried copying 60GB from another USB drive on the same system. Around 30 minutes later firefox stopped responding then I saw the above error in Event Viewer 50 times. I reckon the drive it's self is causing my issue.
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		<title>by: PaperDocket</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/06/cheap-usb-box-du-jour/#comment-2856</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:26:38 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/06/cheap-usb-box-du-jour/#comment-2856</guid>
					<description>I now have the Astone USB box (damn fast delivery!). It gets mighty hot.. I don't know it's temperature because HD Tune can not see most of the data drives are able to report when connected via USB. It's not too hot to touch. My IDE USB box barely goes above room temperature.

I tested (unintended test, but anyways..) by formatting the Astone USB box equipped with a 320(298)GB hard disk then moved all the data from my old 80GB USB hard drive (around 60GB) to the Astone.

The Astone took nearly two hours to fully format the drive. Maybe the drive has issues even though it's new, I took it out of it's anti-static shrink wrap today and installed it into the Astone.

To give a very rough idea how hot the Astone got; I could smell it (the 'new gear' smell) when entering the room and when I sat at my desk the smell was very strong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I now have the Astone USB box (damn fast delivery!). It gets mighty hot.. I don't know it's temperature because HD Tune can not see most of the data drives are able to report when connected via USB. It's not too hot to touch. My IDE USB box barely goes above room temperature.</p>
	<p>I tested (unintended test, but anyways..) by formatting the Astone USB box equipped with a 320(298)GB hard disk then moved all the data from my old 80GB USB hard drive (around 60GB) to the Astone.</p>
	<p>The Astone took nearly two hours to fully format the drive. Maybe the drive has issues even though it's new, I took it out of it's anti-static shrink wrap today and installed it into the Astone.</p>
	<p>To give a very rough idea how hot the Astone got; I could smell it (the 'new gear' smell) when entering the room and when I sat at my desk the smell was very strong.
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		<title>by: peter webb</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/06/cheap-usb-box-du-jour/#comment-2839</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:06:07 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>The spin up/spin down issue bugs me as well.

I have a couple of external drives that spin down when they lose USB power. I am now looking for an *unpowered* USB hub to dedicate to my external drives!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The spin up/spin down issue bugs me as well.</p>
	<p>I have a couple of external drives that spin down when they lose USB power. I am now looking for an *unpowered* USB hub to dedicate to my external drives!
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		<title>by: PaperDocket</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/06/cheap-usb-box-du-jour/#comment-2796</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 23:32:43 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Just what I was after! The price is damn good too. Aus PC Market prices are usually much higher than my local PC huts here in Brisbane / Logan.

Hey Dan, any chance you can do a Plasma vs LCD TV write-up? What I would like to know is how much truth there is to &quot;Plasma uses more power and has a shorter life-span than LCD&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Just what I was after! The price is damn good too. Aus PC Market prices are usually much higher than my local PC huts here in Brisbane / Logan.</p>
	<p>Hey Dan, any chance you can do a Plasma vs LCD TV write-up? What I would like to know is how much truth there is to "Plasma uses more power and has a shorter life-span than LCD".
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		<title>by: PostScriptum</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/06/cheap-usb-box-du-jour/#comment-2795</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:58:45 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>After repairing home and business PCs for the last 10 years I blame heat for early hard disk failure and not cycles. I'd often go to a home or business to replace a hard drive and people would quite happily be sitting in summer heat in Queensland all day using their computer. The ambient temperature would have been about 36, and I estimate the drives were about 50-65 deg C, you could literally burn your hand on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>After repairing home and business PCs for the last 10 years I blame heat for early hard disk failure and not cycles. I'd often go to a home or business to replace a hard drive and people would quite happily be sitting in summer heat in Queensland all day using their computer. The ambient temperature would have been about 36, and I estimate the drives were about 50-65 deg C, you could literally burn your hand on them.
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		<title>by: rkline</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/08/06/cheap-usb-box-du-jour/#comment-2794</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 11:03:04 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>For North American readers, according to http://www.hardwarecanucks.com the Thermaltake BlacX swappable (you push the 2.5&quot; or 3.5&quot; SATA drive down into a slot in the top) external USB drive dock has the Initio INIC-1606L chip in it.  It's available for around US$40.  Annoyingly I just bought a similar Vantec drive dock which has a different chip.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>For North American readers, according to <a href='http://www.hardwarecanucks.com' rel='nofollow'>http://www.hardwarecanucks.com</a> the Thermaltake BlacX swappable (you push the 2.5" or 3.5" SATA drive down into a slot in the top) external USB drive dock has the Initio INIC-1606L chip in it.  It's available for around US$40.  Annoyingly I just bought a similar Vantec drive dock which has a different chip.
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