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		<title>by: roland</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/27/thrilling-led-bulb-replacement-action/#comment-6299</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I am an artist who builds architectonic sculptures that are very detailed and whimsical. My general philosophy about lighting is that we should have more VERY low-watt options instead of all the over-illuminated environments at present. I've built some art pieces and incorporated 7.5 watt bulbs in them, and run an in-line rheostat to make them even dimmer. But I would like some alternatives to the clunky sockets and bulky cords. Ideally, even a battery operated lamp.

If anyone has suggestions for inexpensive assemblies that are complete (with the exception of a standard battery) I would be most appreciative. I would also consider a very simple small bulb and socket assembly with standard electric cord.

If possible, please respond before February 15, 2010. But even after that date i would still welcome responses.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I am an artist who builds architectonic sculptures that are very detailed and whimsical. My general philosophy about lighting is that we should have more VERY low-watt options instead of all the over-illuminated environments at present. I've built some art pieces and incorporated 7.5 watt bulbs in them, and run an in-line rheostat to make them even dimmer. But I would like some alternatives to the clunky sockets and bulky cords. Ideally, even a battery operated lamp.</p>
	<p>If anyone has suggestions for inexpensive assemblies that are complete (with the exception of a standard battery) I would be most appreciative. I would also consider a very simple small bulb and socket assembly with standard electric cord.</p>
	<p>If possible, please respond before February 15, 2010. But even after that date i would still welcome responses.</p>
	<p>Thanks!
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		<title>by: Klingon</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/27/thrilling-led-bulb-replacement-action/#comment-2425</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 11:01:41 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/27/thrilling-led-bulb-replacement-action/#comment-2425</guid>
					<description>As I understand it, truck and trailer running lights are &lt;i&gt;universal&lt;/i&gt;, I.E. they'll run on 12 or 24 volt systems. The way that the manufacturer(s) achieve this is through PWM, regulating the current to/through the diodes. What this means is that running on 24 volts, the flicker should be more noticeable on 24 volts, due to the shorter on time.

I, too, wonder about the frequency selection. the timing resistor remains the same, but reducing the capacitor to a smaller, hence cheaper, value would satisfy both flicker-reduction and lower per-unit cost.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As I understand it, truck and trailer running lights are <i>universal</i>, I.E. they'll run on 12 or 24 volt systems. The way that the manufacturer(s) achieve this is through PWM, regulating the current to/through the diodes. What this means is that running on 24 volts, the flicker should be more noticeable on 24 volts, due to the shorter on time.</p>
	<p>I, too, wonder about the frequency selection. the timing resistor remains the same, but reducing the capacitor to a smaller, hence cheaper, value would satisfy both flicker-reduction and lower per-unit cost.</p>
	<p>C:\&gt;
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		<title>by: frasera</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/27/thrilling-led-bulb-replacement-action/#comment-2273</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/27/thrilling-led-bulb-replacement-action/#comment-2273</guid>
					<description>&quot;On a whim, I picked up a pair of the inverse cone type bulbs from the local Autozone&quot;

yea places like autozone probably carry old generation led type lighting. they aren't really a cutting edge type of place, and generally neither are their consumers.  you can tell by the cheesy led flashlights they sell..5mm cluster garbage and all that.  it'll take a long time for good stuff to trickle down to autozone/kragen type places</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>"On a whim, I picked up a pair of the inverse cone type bulbs from the local Autozone"</p>
	<p>yea places like autozone probably carry old generation led type lighting. they aren't really a cutting edge type of place, and generally neither are their consumers.  you can tell by the cheesy led flashlights they sell..5mm cluster garbage and all that.  it'll take a long time for good stuff to trickle down to autozone/kragen type places
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		<title>by: furrfu</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/27/thrilling-led-bulb-replacement-action/#comment-2197</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 19:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/27/thrilling-led-bulb-replacement-action/#comment-2197</guid>
					<description>#3 - I think Dan hit the nail on the head in #14 (hey Dan, can we have threaded comments? :-) -- the bulbs are allegedly meant to be usable in any location that takes them, in- or outside the car, but they're rather cheaply made and there's no overcurrent protection.

I should also add that I drive a Volvo, so the lights are on all the time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>#3 - I think Dan hit the nail on the head in #14 (hey Dan, can we have threaded comments? :-) -- the bulbs are allegedly meant to be usable in any location that takes them, in- or outside the car, but they're rather cheaply made and there's no overcurrent protection.</p>
	<p>I should also add that I drive a Volvo, so the lights are on all the time...
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		<title>by: Daniel Rutter</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/27/thrilling-led-bulb-replacement-action/#comment-2193</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/27/thrilling-led-bulb-replacement-action/#comment-2193</guid>
					<description>Regarding strobing LEDs on vehicles: Despite persistent rumours, you don't get a preceived-brightness or LED-life benefit from flashing LEDs rather than running them at a visually-equivalent constant brightness.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-width_modulation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pulse-width modulation&lt;/a&gt; brightness control, however, &lt;b&gt;is&lt;/b&gt; an easy and inexpensive way (in this world of supercheap ICs) to efficiently control the perceived brightness of LEDs. So if there's some regulation that says that trailer-truck side marker lights have to be between brightness X and brightness Y, I can see them using a PWM controller to dial the brightness of LED markers down to match the regulation. 

(If there's no such regulation, I don't see why you wouldn't make simple little resistor-fed modules that plug into a standard 12V socket instead and run the LEDs at whatever brightness you happen to get. A bit less efficient, but the difference is zero from a truck's point of view.)

I've noticed that cars with LED brake lights often seem to run them at full, no-flicker brightness when they're actually braking, and in flickery PWM half-brightness mode when the lights are just on as driving lights.

I did not, of course, test this by waving my head around like an idiot while driving home the other day, endangering myself and others. I've no idea where you heard such nonsense.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Regarding strobing LEDs on vehicles: Despite persistent rumours, you don't get a preceived-brightness or LED-life benefit from flashing LEDs rather than running them at a visually-equivalent constant brightness.</p>
	<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-width_modulation" rel="nofollow">Pulse-width modulation</a> brightness control, however, <b>is</b> an easy and inexpensive way (in this world of supercheap ICs) to efficiently control the perceived brightness of LEDs. So if there's some regulation that says that trailer-truck side marker lights have to be between brightness X and brightness Y, I can see them using a PWM controller to dial the brightness of LED markers down to match the regulation. </p>
	<p>(If there's no such regulation, I don't see why you wouldn't make simple little resistor-fed modules that plug into a standard 12V socket instead and run the LEDs at whatever brightness you happen to get. A bit less efficient, but the difference is zero from a truck's point of view.)</p>
	<p>I've noticed that cars with LED brake lights often seem to run them at full, no-flicker brightness when they're actually braking, and in flickery PWM half-brightness mode when the lights are just on as driving lights.</p>
	<p>I did not, of course, test this by waving my head around like an idiot while driving home the other day, endangering myself and others. I've no idea where you heard such nonsense.
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		<title>by: Daniel Rutter</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/27/thrilling-led-bulb-replacement-action/#comment-2192</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/27/thrilling-led-bulb-replacement-action/#comment-2192</guid>
					<description>Regarding unreliable cheapo LED lamps, I think these problems can be put down almost entirely to two factors.

1: Some very poor designs. Say, a circuit that ran the first kind of LEDs they put in it at full rated power and worked OK, but was then changed to use newer LEDs with lower voltage drop without changing anything else, resulting in horrible overdriving. Bonus points will be awarded if the circuit works such that the first LED to die &lt;b&gt;increases&lt;/b&gt; the current flowing through the unfortunate survivors.

2: Nonexistent quality control. Particularly applicable to the bottom-feeding eBay dealers we all know and love. So lights with dry solder joints, lamps that aren't quite glued together, et cetera, head out into the market along with the ones that're properly made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Regarding unreliable cheapo LED lamps, I think these problems can be put down almost entirely to two factors.</p>
	<p>1: Some very poor designs. Say, a circuit that ran the first kind of LEDs they put in it at full rated power and worked OK, but was then changed to use newer LEDs with lower voltage drop without changing anything else, resulting in horrible overdriving. Bonus points will be awarded if the circuit works such that the first LED to die <b>increases</b> the current flowing through the unfortunate survivors.</p>
	<p>2: Nonexistent quality control. Particularly applicable to the bottom-feeding eBay dealers we all know and love. So lights with dry solder joints, lamps that aren't quite glued together, et cetera, head out into the market along with the ones that're properly made.
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		<title>by: Daniel Rutter</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/27/thrilling-led-bulb-replacement-action/#comment-2191</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/27/thrilling-led-bulb-replacement-action/#comment-2191</guid>
					<description>My car's a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Pulsar&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nissan Pulsar&lt;/a&gt;, which is closely related to the Sentra and Sunny (to the extent of being essentially the exact same car, for many year models).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My car's a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Pulsar" rel="nofollow">Nissan Pulsar</a>, which is closely related to the Sentra and Sunny (to the extent of being essentially the exact same car, for many year models).
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		<title>by: Stark</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/27/thrilling-led-bulb-replacement-action/#comment-2190</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/27/thrilling-led-bulb-replacement-action/#comment-2190</guid>
					<description>Eschatonic,  Once again, unless something has gone horribly wrong LED's should outlast incandescent bulbs (even underdriven ones like automotive bulbs) by quite long time.  Years long.  What you've described is a textbook case of overdriven/under-cooled LEDs.  The quick diming and eventual failure is typically what happens when an LED (or an array of them) is fed too much power.  I assumed in Furrfu's case that it was probably an eletrcial system issue but it seems much more likely to be a design issue of the LED units.

Not sure how you could test this though... any bright ideas Dan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Eschatonic,  Once again, unless something has gone horribly wrong LED's should outlast incandescent bulbs (even underdriven ones like automotive bulbs) by quite long time.  Years long.  What you've described is a textbook case of overdriven/under-cooled LEDs.  The quick diming and eventual failure is typically what happens when an LED (or an array of them) is fed too much power.  I assumed in Furrfu's case that it was probably an eletrcial system issue but it seems much more likely to be a design issue of the LED units.</p>
	<p>Not sure how you could test this though... any bright ideas Dan?
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		<title>by: emrikol</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/27/thrilling-led-bulb-replacement-action/#comment-2189</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I swear that light fixture looks exactly like my b13 &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Sunny#B13_series&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sentra/sunny&lt;/a&gt;!  Can it be?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I swear that light fixture looks exactly like my b13 <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Sunny#B13_series" rel="nofollow">sentra/sunny</a>!  Can it be?!
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		<title>by: kamikrae-z</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/27/thrilling-led-bulb-replacement-action/#comment-2188</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Speaking of strobing lights - does anyone notice the strobing effect from the small orange/yellow lights on the side of freight trucks? I've noticed this for a while - I assume this means they must also use LED's. Makes a lot of sense I guess...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Speaking of strobing lights - does anyone notice the strobing effect from the small orange/yellow lights on the side of freight trucks? I've noticed this for a while - I assume this means they must also use LED's. Makes a lot of sense I guess...
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