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		<title>by: foxyshadis</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/07/avoiding-freaking-out-a-primer/#comment-2522</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:22:16 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Reminds me of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.poe-news.com/forums/sp.php?pi=1001703201&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this story&lt;/a&gt;. Everyone needs a friend around to remind them that there is a reality and they'll be returning to it shortly, just in case of a freakout.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Reminds me of <a href="http://www.poe-news.com/forums/sp.php?pi=1001703201" rel="nofollow">this story</a>. Everyone needs a friend around to remind them that there is a reality and they'll be returning to it shortly, just in case of a freakout.
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		<title>by: reyalp</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/07/avoiding-freaking-out-a-primer/#comment-2062</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 11:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>err, I mean oxygen available for you to metabolize of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>err, I mean oxygen available for you to metabolize of course.
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		<title>by: reyalp</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/07/avoiding-freaking-out-a-primer/#comment-2059</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>loseweightslow 
That's very interesting, and I agree that it is more likely to be applicable to nitrous users than the study I was remembering, which suggested brain damage as a result of high altitude climbing:
http://www.alpinist.com/doc/web07f/newswire-study-altitude-brain-damage

Regardless, it's still good to keep in mind that your nitrous balloon contains zero oxygen :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>loseweightslow<br />
That's very interesting, and I agree that it is more likely to be applicable to nitrous users than the study I was remembering, which suggested brain damage as a result of high altitude climbing:<br />
<a href='http://www.alpinist.com/doc/web07f/newswire-study-altitude-brain-damage' rel='nofollow'>http://www.alpinist.com/doc/web07f/newswire-study-altitude-brain-damage</a></p>
	<p>Regardless, it's still good to keep in mind that your nitrous balloon contains zero oxygen :)
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		<title>by: Eryl B. Slugflaunt</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/07/avoiding-freaking-out-a-primer/#comment-2056</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 13:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dear Mr. Dan;

I, the beneath signed, a long time reader, address my lonely plea to you, holding in view your massive expertise in cosmetic neuropsychopharmacy. Being the eminent field leader, indeed the mascot of neural cytoarchitectonics and brain metabolism research, I feel you will be best able to help me, with your luxuriously detailed medical training, at a distance and without having seen me. You see, I suffer from a bouquet of perplexing symptoms, these including dizziness, lack of concentration, occasional night terrors, the transcutaneous emission of a black tarry substance, and  left-sided arse pain, now lasting over ten years. I am a long-term recreational user of, shall we say, heroic quantities of LSD, which (as you may well know) has no effect on ones' faculties of logic, scientific acumen or social competence. The most recent development in my condition has been a sudden onset of dull roaring in the background of my thoughts, followed by squealing, then followed by eldrich chanting and howling, whereupon I had found myself transported to a place of no fixed substance, and only of impression - the impression of terrifying pressure, ancient cold, hate, hunger, and a loathsome drooling anticipation of a victorious time when once again I and mine kind shall rise above the waves to avenge ourselves upon the mortals. In short, it was mildly disturbing, and having no further appointments that afternoon, I thought i should bring news of this phenomenon to your eminent attention. I understand that no topic is too trivial, and though I haven't asked a question per se, I am sure you will aim the ordinance of your intellect at finding for me the answer. 

I thank you in advance for your immediate and undivided attention, and eagerly await your detailed response.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dear Mr. Dan;</p>
	<p>I, the beneath signed, a long time reader, address my lonely plea to you, holding in view your massive expertise in cosmetic neuropsychopharmacy. Being the eminent field leader, indeed the mascot of neural cytoarchitectonics and brain metabolism research, I feel you will be best able to help me, with your luxuriously detailed medical training, at a distance and without having seen me. You see, I suffer from a bouquet of perplexing symptoms, these including dizziness, lack of concentration, occasional night terrors, the transcutaneous emission of a black tarry substance, and  left-sided arse pain, now lasting over ten years. I am a long-term recreational user of, shall we say, heroic quantities of LSD, which (as you may well know) has no effect on ones' faculties of logic, scientific acumen or social competence. The most recent development in my condition has been a sudden onset of dull roaring in the background of my thoughts, followed by squealing, then followed by eldrich chanting and howling, whereupon I had found myself transported to a place of no fixed substance, and only of impression - the impression of terrifying pressure, ancient cold, hate, hunger, and a loathsome drooling anticipation of a victorious time when once again I and mine kind shall rise above the waves to avenge ourselves upon the mortals. In short, it was mildly disturbing, and having no further appointments that afternoon, I thought i should bring news of this phenomenon to your eminent attention. I understand that no topic is too trivial, and though I haven't asked a question per se, I am sure you will aim the ordinance of your intellect at finding for me the answer. </p>
	<p>I thank you in advance for your immediate and undivided attention, and eagerly await your detailed response.
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		<title>by: loseweightslow</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/07/avoiding-freaking-out-a-primer/#comment-2055</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 13:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/07/avoiding-freaking-out-a-primer/#comment-2055</guid>
					<description>reyalp,
As a freediver who regularly and deliberately deprives himself of oxygen I want to tell you that there are no negative consequences to this. In fact I heard of one study that showed that practicing apnea (breath holding) actually led to a small increase in IQ, of a point or two. All the world's top freedivers are able to hold their breath until they pass out, and there seem to be no problems for them with doing this. Obviously, passing out underwater is not a good thing, but the equivalent in nitrous is filling a garbage bag with it, sticking your head inside and taping it around your neck. Hopefully, people can see why this is a bad idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>reyalp,<br />
As a freediver who regularly and deliberately deprives himself of oxygen I want to tell you that there are no negative consequences to this. In fact I heard of one study that showed that practicing apnea (breath holding) actually led to a small increase in IQ, of a point or two. All the world's top freedivers are able to hold their breath until they pass out, and there seem to be no problems for them with doing this. Obviously, passing out underwater is not a good thing, but the equivalent in nitrous is filling a garbage bag with it, sticking your head inside and taping it around your neck. Hopefully, people can see why this is a bad idea.
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		<title>by: Dynastar</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/07/avoiding-freaking-out-a-primer/#comment-2053</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I too had a lousy nitrous experience when I was given it just a few months ago.  I was in for some non-impacted wisdom teeth work and they offered it to me in conjunction with the normal pain killers.  

I only had the mask on for about a minute, maybe a minute and a half, but there was no dream-like sensation.  I just felt sort of woozy, but constricted at the same time, like I couldn't take deep enough breaths.  It sort of reminded me of how it feels before you pass out, which I've done a few times after getting blood drawn.  I expressed my dislike, they stopped the flow, and soon I felt normal.  The oral surgeon told me that although most folks enjoy nitrous a bad reaction is not unknown, and that he himself disliked the feeling quite a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I too had a lousy nitrous experience when I was given it just a few months ago.  I was in for some non-impacted wisdom teeth work and they offered it to me in conjunction with the normal pain killers.  </p>
	<p>I only had the mask on for about a minute, maybe a minute and a half, but there was no dream-like sensation.  I just felt sort of woozy, but constricted at the same time, like I couldn't take deep enough breaths.  It sort of reminded me of how it feels before you pass out, which I've done a few times after getting blood drawn.  I expressed my dislike, they stopped the flow, and soon I felt normal.  The oral surgeon told me that although most folks enjoy nitrous a bad reaction is not unknown, and that he himself disliked the feeling quite a bit.
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		<title>by: DBT</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/07/avoiding-freaking-out-a-primer/#comment-2052</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I didn't think I had any knowledge to contribute here, untill I read reyalp's comments, to which I can add:
- The body (and thus brain) has no way of detecting oxygen deprivation, which is why hypoxia is so sudden in onset - at least this is what's taught in flying school, not all of which is accurate (cf. Bernoulli vs. Newton).
- As CO2 builds up in the body, this IS detected and results in a subconscious increase in respiration in an attempt to purge the excess CO2. Most people don't notice this as there is no pain or discomfort associated with mild elevations in CO2 levels. In a closed environment ^ resps may only accelerate the problem.
- For trivia buffs (aka getting off topic): the shortness of breath and gradual onset of panic one gets when deprived of fresh air is due neither to O2 or CO2 levels. Rather, it's due to the sharp increase in humidity that occurs when continually rebreathing expired air. The body detects the extreme moisture levels and freaks out because of this. 
 - Disclaimer: I assert the above is all true because I done found it on the internet. I am not a professional physiologist. I do however possess a CO2 fire extinguisher and am currently holding it in anticipation ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I didn't think I had any knowledge to contribute here, untill I read reyalp's comments, to which I can add:<br />
- The body (and thus brain) has no way of detecting oxygen deprivation, which is why hypoxia is so sudden in onset - at least this is what's taught in flying school, not all of which is accurate (cf. Bernoulli vs. Newton).<br />
- As CO2 builds up in the body, this IS detected and results in a subconscious increase in respiration in an attempt to purge the excess CO2. Most people don't notice this as there is no pain or discomfort associated with mild elevations in CO2 levels. In a closed environment ^ resps may only accelerate the problem.<br />
- For trivia buffs (aka getting off topic): the shortness of breath and gradual onset of panic one gets when deprived of fresh air is due neither to O2 or CO2 levels. Rather, it's due to the sharp increase in humidity that occurs when continually rebreathing expired air. The body detects the extreme moisture levels and freaks out because of this.<br />
 - Disclaimer: I assert the above is all true because I done found it on the internet. I am not a professional physiologist. I do however possess a CO2 fire extinguisher and am currently holding it in anticipation ...
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		<title>by: Malcolm</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/07/avoiding-freaking-out-a-primer/#comment-2051</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Funny how nitrous oxide seems more prone than the &quot;hallucinogens&quot; to bring on revelations about Death, Reality and the Ultimate Answers.

BTW, I recommend reading what the 19th century American psychologist and philosopher William James &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.general-anaesthesia.com/misc/nitrous-philosophy.html&quot; title=&quot;said about N2O&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Funny how nitrous oxide seems more prone than the "hallucinogens" to bring on revelations about Death, Reality and the Ultimate Answers.</p>
	<p>BTW, I recommend reading what the 19th century American psychologist and philosopher William James <a href="http://www.general-anaesthesia.com/misc/nitrous-philosophy.html" title="said about N2O" rel="nofollow"></a>
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		<title>by: pompomtom</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/07/avoiding-freaking-out-a-primer/#comment-2050</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>If you weren't in cahoots with the neighbours, would you suggest shiny-side-in or shiny-side-out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If you weren't in cahoots with the neighbours, would you suggest shiny-side-in or shiny-side-out?
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		<title>by: reyalp</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/02/07/avoiding-freaking-out-a-primer/#comment-2049</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Nice post. I agree that learning just how much a tiny amount of some chemical can change you perception is a good thing, and this is much easier in a comfortable environment where you know what is going on. Of course a certain amount of critical thinking is also required... if you come out believing that change in chemistry put you in touch with God, Elvis, or your inner Thetan, you've failed the class. Nitrous fortunately has a far lower incidence of this than many alternatives ;)

I have one quibble with your nitrous page that I've wanted to bring up for a while. The gas itself is pretty harmless, but it easy to deprive yourself of oxygen (and expose yourself to a higher concentration of CO2) while using it. When you get the gas at the dentist, they mix it with oxygen. If you breath pure nitrous from a balloon, you aren't getting any oxygen in that breath. If you breath in and out of the same container repeatedly (don't do that), you are also getting C02, and prolonging your lack of oxygen. Nitrous doesn't &quot;kill brain cells&quot; but hypoxia does. If you black out while doing nitrous (which I have seen, usually huffing as described above), I'd wager it was mostly due to hypoxia, and that isn't a good thing.

I'm not saying you shouldn't use it, or that what you describe on your page is unsafe. However it is important to remember that you need oxygen. People occasionally do kill themselves by forgetting that in their pursuit of a bigger nitrous high. There is also fairly good evidence of long term harm due to reduced oxygen environments (i.e. high altitude climbers.) It's not a given that this applies to even the most extreme recreational nitrous use, but I wouldn't want to bet my brain that it doesn't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nice post. I agree that learning just how much a tiny amount of some chemical can change you perception is a good thing, and this is much easier in a comfortable environment where you know what is going on. Of course a certain amount of critical thinking is also required... if you come out believing that change in chemistry put you in touch with God, Elvis, or your inner Thetan, you've failed the class. Nitrous fortunately has a far lower incidence of this than many alternatives ;)</p>
	<p>I have one quibble with your nitrous page that I've wanted to bring up for a while. The gas itself is pretty harmless, but it easy to deprive yourself of oxygen (and expose yourself to a higher concentration of CO2) while using it. When you get the gas at the dentist, they mix it with oxygen. If you breath pure nitrous from a balloon, you aren't getting any oxygen in that breath. If you breath in and out of the same container repeatedly (don't do that), you are also getting C02, and prolonging your lack of oxygen. Nitrous doesn't "kill brain cells" but hypoxia does. If you black out while doing nitrous (which I have seen, usually huffing as described above), I'd wager it was mostly due to hypoxia, and that isn't a good thing.</p>
	<p>I'm not saying you shouldn't use it, or that what you describe on your page is unsafe. However it is important to remember that you need oxygen. People occasionally do kill themselves by forgetting that in their pursuit of a bigger nitrous high. There is also fairly good evidence of long term harm due to reduced oxygen environments (i.e. high altitude climbers.) It's not a given that this applies to even the most extreme recreational nitrous use, but I wouldn't want to bet my brain that it doesn't.
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