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	<title>Comments on: On the fraught morality of impeding the Holy Process of Marketing</title>
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		<title>by: Doodacus</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/01/11/on-the-fraught-morality-of-impeding-the-holy-process-of-marketing/#comment-1901</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Nice copy and paste job of your article here Dan http://naramsim.wordpress.com/2008/01/14/on-the-fraught-morality-of-impeding-the-holy-process-of-marketing/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nice copy and paste job of your article here Dan <a href='http://naramsim.wordpress.com/2008/01/14/on-the-fraught-morality-of-impeding-the-holy-process-of-marketing/' rel='nofollow'>http://naramsim.wordpress.com/2008/01/14/on-the-fraught-morality-of-impeding-the-holy-process-of-marketing/</a>
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		<title>by: Daniel Rutter</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/01/11/on-the-fraught-morality-of-impeding-the-holy-process-of-marketing/#comment-1876</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>See, now this is that &quot;where you draw the line&quot; thing again.

Once again, since it really doesn't seem to be sinking in:

I did not say it would be an awesome idea to kick the guy giving the presentation in the nuts and then take a flamethrower to his company's stand. Neither, I think you'll find, did Gizmodo. I said I found it mildly amusing that a few TVs were turned off. As did they.

Oy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>See, now this is that "where you draw the line" thing again.</p>
	<p>Once again, since it really doesn't seem to be sinking in:</p>
	<p>I did not say it would be an awesome idea to kick the guy giving the presentation in the nuts and then take a flamethrower to his company's stand. Neither, I think you'll find, did Gizmodo. I said I found it mildly amusing that a few TVs were turned off. As did they.</p>
	<p>Oy.
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		<title>by: LolololWTF</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/01/11/on-the-fraught-morality-of-impeding-the-holy-process-of-marketing/#comment-1875</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm a tech journalist. I loathe PR people. They're always wasting my time telling me far too much about everything &lt;i&gt;except&lt;/i&gt; whatever it is I actually want to know about. When I try to talk to the handful of people who actually create stuff and make real decisions, there's usually some PR asshole standing in the way making sure no information escapes from the company. 

PR goons insult my intelligence, and my readers' intelligence, with their constant gush of self-serving content-free bullshit. 

Yes, I hate PR people (did I mention that already?), but I think what Gizmodo did at CES was utterly pathetic. I'm ashamed that anyone might think I'm in the same profession as that bunch of arrogant kids.

Where do you draw the line with stunts like this? If it's OK for the professionals at Gizmodo to get pranky, can anyone else disrupt a presentation for laughs? 

If our victims tape over their infra-red receivers, shall we bring radio transmitters next time and screw with their wireless microphones. Let's take cell phone jammers too, and then we can giggle at videos of tired, harried folks having their calls home interrupted repeatedly. 

Let's throw some stink bombs, too, or maybe a little pepper spray, that'll clear the presentation out! Awesome! Maybe an electromagnetic pulse generator could wipe out a whole booth!

We'll get some kickass clips for teh Gootube, yes let's all go to CES next year and play journalist and give it some lulz. It'll be a riot.


You can &lt;i&gt;impede the Holy Process of Marketing&lt;/i&gt; as much as you like, but when you do, try to have a little fucking respect for your fellow human beings, &lt;i&gt;whether you think they deserve it or not&lt;/i&gt;... and that way you'll keep a little bit for yourself, too.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I'm a tech journalist. I loathe PR people. They're always wasting my time telling me far too much about everything <i>except</i> whatever it is I actually want to know about. When I try to talk to the handful of people who actually create stuff and make real decisions, there's usually some PR asshole standing in the way making sure no information escapes from the company. </p>
	<p>PR goons insult my intelligence, and my readers' intelligence, with their constant gush of self-serving content-free bullshit. </p>
	<p>Yes, I hate PR people (did I mention that already?), but I think what Gizmodo did at CES was utterly pathetic. I'm ashamed that anyone might think I'm in the same profession as that bunch of arrogant kids.</p>
	<p>Where do you draw the line with stunts like this? If it's OK for the professionals at Gizmodo to get pranky, can anyone else disrupt a presentation for laughs? </p>
	<p>If our victims tape over their infra-red receivers, shall we bring radio transmitters next time and screw with their wireless microphones. Let's take cell phone jammers too, and then we can giggle at videos of tired, harried folks having their calls home interrupted repeatedly. </p>
	<p>Let's throw some stink bombs, too, or maybe a little pepper spray, that'll clear the presentation out! Awesome! Maybe an electromagnetic pulse generator could wipe out a whole booth!</p>
	<p>We'll get some kickass clips for teh Gootube, yes let's all go to CES next year and play journalist and give it some lulz. It'll be a riot.</p>
	<p>You can <i>impede the Holy Process of Marketing</i> as much as you like, but when you do, try to have a little fucking respect for your fellow human beings, <i>whether you think they deserve it or not</i>... and that way you'll keep a little bit for yourself, too.
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		<title>by: Daniel Rutter</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/01/11/on-the-fraught-morality-of-impeding-the-holy-process-of-marketing/#comment-1871</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Actually condoning the idea that you can do whatever you like to someone or thing just because you don't like said thing is bullshit&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, it is. Gee, it's lucky that that I didn't actually &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;say&lt;/a&gt; that, isn't it?

As you say, it comes down to where you draw the line.

For most people, I think the line should be drawn somewhere after &quot;asking impertinent questions&quot;. For PR dudes, I think it should be drawn somewhere short of &quot;setting his car on fire&quot;.

Thank you, and goodnight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Actually condoning the idea that you can do whatever you like to someone or thing just because you don't like said thing is bullshit</i></p>
	<p>Yes, it is. Gee, it's lucky that that I didn't actually <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man" rel="nofollow">say</a> that, isn't it?</p>
	<p>As you say, it comes down to where you draw the line.</p>
	<p>For most people, I think the line should be drawn somewhere after "asking impertinent questions". For PR dudes, I think it should be drawn somewhere short of "setting his car on fire".</p>
	<p>Thank you, and goodnight.
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		<title>by: Nogami</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I tend to agree with Dan for the most part.  Clicking the video walls off was pretty darn funny - but screwing with the guy's presentation was taking it a bit too far.

That said, conventions like CES take themselves WAY too seriously.  After being to the one this year (and unfortunately missing the gizmodo stunt), I don't know if I'll be back.  The big-name vendors are, for the most part, simply &quot;too busy&quot; to talk to people unless you have the name of a fortune 500 company on your badge.  Infact the main convention centre displays were pretty much a waste of time.    I didn't learn anything in person that I couldn't have learned just by visiting various websites that had staffthere.

The real innovation and people who were fun to talk to were the smaller startup companies in the Sands Convention Centre.  Granted, there were a million asian vendors selling &quot;MP4&quot; players and &quot;Photoframes&quot;, but once you got past that, you could have a lot of fun there.

Personally, I think I'll stick with NAB from now on.  Much better IMHO.

(I even checked the website for the Adult Entertainment Expo that was also conveniently located in the Sands, but as soon as I saw the list of what was &quot;banned&quot; (ie: everything, including showing pretty much any skin whatsoever), I knew it was a waste of time).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I tend to agree with Dan for the most part.  Clicking the video walls off was pretty darn funny - but screwing with the guy's presentation was taking it a bit too far.</p>
	<p>That said, conventions like CES take themselves WAY too seriously.  After being to the one this year (and unfortunately missing the gizmodo stunt), I don't know if I'll be back.  The big-name vendors are, for the most part, simply "too busy" to talk to people unless you have the name of a fortune 500 company on your badge.  Infact the main convention centre displays were pretty much a waste of time.    I didn't learn anything in person that I couldn't have learned just by visiting various websites that had staffthere.</p>
	<p>The real innovation and people who were fun to talk to were the smaller startup companies in the Sands Convention Centre.  Granted, there were a million asian vendors selling "MP4" players and "Photoframes", but once you got past that, you could have a lot of fun there.</p>
	<p>Personally, I think I'll stick with NAB from now on.  Much better IMHO.</p>
	<p>(I even checked the website for the Adult Entertainment Expo that was also conveniently located in the Sands, but as soon as I saw the list of what was "banned" (ie: everything, including showing pretty much any skin whatsoever), I knew it was a waste of time).
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		<title>by: mythos</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You can throw as many glib jabs into your post as you like, it doesn't change that you're wrong.

Whether the inconvenience was minor or not or even if it was humorous is irrelevant.  Of course I laughed, it was funny - but that's where it stopped.  Actually condoning the idea that you can do whatever you like to someone or thing just because you don't like said thing is bullshit, plain and simple.

And in any case, where do you draw the line?  When you (arbitrarily) thing something is no longer funny?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You can throw as many glib jabs into your post as you like, it doesn't change that you're wrong.</p>
	<p>Whether the inconvenience was minor or not or even if it was humorous is irrelevant.  Of course I laughed, it was funny - but that's where it stopped.  Actually condoning the idea that you can do whatever you like to someone or thing just because you don't like said thing is bullshit, plain and simple.</p>
	<p>And in any case, where do you draw the line?  When you (arbitrarily) thing something is no longer funny?
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		<title>by: RichVR</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I showed the video to my girlfriend. She laughed and made a pretty reasonable comment. 

&quot;I'll bet they're wondering about how their software failed instead of checking the power buttons.&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I showed the video to my girlfriend. She laughed and made a pretty reasonable comment. </p>
	<p>"I'll bet they're wondering about how their software failed instead of checking the power buttons."
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		<title>by: Chazzozz</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh dear, Dan, you seem to have gotten a burr stuck under your saddle blanket on this one.  (Sorry, I couldn't resist the home-spun homily.)

It appears to me that most people are reading more into this than is necessary.  Sure, what the Gizmodo guys did was a bit childish and of questionable value, but how much actual inconvenience did they cause?  How hard can it be to turn a monitor back on?  Seriously, if the design of said monitors is such that turning them back on is, you know, DIFFICULT then why are they being touted at CES as the New Hotness anyway?  Maybe Gizmodo is doing them a favour by performing some real-world QA testing.

Now, if they'd continued to persistently turn off monitors to the point where it *did* disrupt proceedings, that, I believe, would have been taking things a bit too far.  The Motorola presentation may have suffered some bumps, but the presenter sailed merrily along nevertheless.  Heck, if it made the show mildly entertaining then maybe the attendees would've actually paid closer attention and taken more of it in.  That would warm the cockles of any Marketroid's heart.

Desipte the so-called ban, I think the only real concrete consequence of this you'll see is at next year's show when squares of black gaffa tape will suddenly become a fashonable monitor accessory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh dear, Dan, you seem to have gotten a burr stuck under your saddle blanket on this one.  (Sorry, I couldn't resist the home-spun homily.)</p>
	<p>It appears to me that most people are reading more into this than is necessary.  Sure, what the Gizmodo guys did was a bit childish and of questionable value, but how much actual inconvenience did they cause?  How hard can it be to turn a monitor back on?  Seriously, if the design of said monitors is such that turning them back on is, you know, DIFFICULT then why are they being touted at CES as the New Hotness anyway?  Maybe Gizmodo is doing them a favour by performing some real-world QA testing.</p>
	<p>Now, if they'd continued to persistently turn off monitors to the point where it *did* disrupt proceedings, that, I believe, would have been taking things a bit too far.  The Motorola presentation may have suffered some bumps, but the presenter sailed merrily along nevertheless.  Heck, if it made the show mildly entertaining then maybe the attendees would've actually paid closer attention and taken more of it in.  That would warm the cockles of any Marketroid's heart.</p>
	<p>Desipte the so-called ban, I think the only real concrete consequence of this you'll see is at next year's show when squares of black gaffa tape will suddenly become a fashonable monitor accessory.
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		<title>by: RichVR</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This isn't about ethics. It's about a humorous prank. You folks have a very low threshold of indignation if something like this sets you off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This isn't about ethics. It's about a humorous prank. You folks have a very low threshold of indignation if something like this sets you off.
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		<title>by: Daniel Rutter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This is an issue of ethics only if the Drama Llama is your faithful steed. For everyone else, it's five minutes of mild amusement or mild annoyment, as the case may be. If you feel sympathetic rage on behalf of some guy whose presentation about stuff nobody needs was mildly impeded, it is my considered opinion that you are wound a little too tight.

And no, I do not feel like ignoring bad things. I will not make the annihilation of dumb trade shows my lifelong crusade, but neither will I STFU about them just because you think I should. 

If you've got nothing nice to say about someone, and they're doing bad things, then you should say bad things about them.

In any case, this post right here represents the only time I've said anything actually &lt;i&gt;about&lt;/i&gt; the Consumer Electronics Show on either of my sites. It's been mentioned in passing on a couple of other pages, but that's it.

And, for the benefit of the hard of thinking, my WiFi analogy compared pointing a remote at someone's TV with connecting to their unsecured WiFi, and compared yanking the cable out of their gear with sneaking in to plug in an Ethernet cable.

(I guess I'd better not ask you guys about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/61946/Sleep-is-where-Ralph-is-a-Viking&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ralph and Vikings&lt;/a&gt;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is an issue of ethics only if the Drama Llama is your faithful steed. For everyone else, it's five minutes of mild amusement or mild annoyment, as the case may be. If you feel sympathetic rage on behalf of some guy whose presentation about stuff nobody needs was mildly impeded, it is my considered opinion that you are wound a little too tight.</p>
	<p>And no, I do not feel like ignoring bad things. I will not make the annihilation of dumb trade shows my lifelong crusade, but neither will I STFU about them just because you think I should. </p>
	<p>If you've got nothing nice to say about someone, and they're doing bad things, then you should say bad things about them.</p>
	<p>In any case, this post right here represents the only time I've said anything actually <i>about</i> the Consumer Electronics Show on either of my sites. It's been mentioned in passing on a couple of other pages, but that's it.</p>
	<p>And, for the benefit of the hard of thinking, my WiFi analogy compared pointing a remote at someone's TV with connecting to their unsecured WiFi, and compared yanking the cable out of their gear with sneaking in to plug in an Ethernet cable.</p>
	<p>(I guess I'd better not ask you guys about <a href="http://www.metafilter.com/61946/Sleep-is-where-Ralph-is-a-Viking" rel="nofollow">Ralph and Vikings</a>.)
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