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	<title>Comments on: Lichtenbergia</title>
	<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2007/12/03/lichtenbergia/</link>
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		<title>by: gluino</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2007/12/03/lichtenbergia/#comment-1696</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think it's fluorescence.
I see similar effects shining a green laser pointer through various other materials, including some liquid detergents and even beverages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think it&#8217;s fluorescence.<br />
I see similar effects shining a green laser pointer through various other materials, including some liquid detergents and even beverages.
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		<title>by: Orpheus</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2007/12/03/lichtenbergia/#comment-1660</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You'd probably see the fluorescence even with a low-power green laser (or a bright LED), especially if you filter out the green from the observer with an appropriate gel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You&#8217;d probably see the fluorescence even with a low-power green laser (or a bright LED), especially if you filter out the green from the observer with an appropriate gel.
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		<title>by: Ghafla</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2007/12/03/lichtenbergia/#comment-1659</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 06:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh, and two more things:

First, the fact that the polarizer doesn't kill the yellow light is consistent with the idea that it's fluoresence, since fluoresence in an isotropic medium doesn't generally preserve the polarization of its exciting light.

Second, there may be a component of Raman scattering (scattering which shifts the energy of the exciting light by creating or annihilating vibrations in the medium) to the observed light.  It's probably several orders of magnitude below the flouresence, but it would likely show up on a spectrometer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh, and two more things:</p>
	<p>First, the fact that the polarizer doesn&#8217;t kill the yellow light is consistent with the idea that it&#8217;s fluoresence, since fluoresence in an isotropic medium doesn&#8217;t generally preserve the polarization of its exciting light.</p>
	<p>Second, there may be a component of Raman scattering (scattering which shifts the energy of the exciting light by creating or annihilating vibrations in the medium) to the observed light.  It&#8217;s probably several orders of magnitude below the flouresence, but it would likely show up on a spectrometer.
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		<title>by: Ghafla</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2007/12/03/lichtenbergia/#comment-1656</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>And before anyone says anything, I do know that both the doubled YAG and the Ar+ laser are green; anything that absorbs strongly in the blue-UV will likely absorb a little bit in the green as well. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And before anyone says anything, I do know that both the doubled YAG and the Ar+ laser are green; anything that absorbs strongly in the blue-UV will likely absorb a little bit in the green as well.
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		<title>by: Ghafla</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2007/12/03/lichtenbergia/#comment-1655</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 02:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>What you're seeing is almost certainly flourescence.  The solarized portion is yellow, meaning it sucks up blue light, which means, in an organic, that there are likely structural features with extended delocalized pi electron systems.  Such systems tend to absorb bluer light, and in the absence of a very strong fluoresence quencher, reemit to the red of the absorbed light.  Absorbing doubled Nd:YAG light and reemitting it as orange strikes me as eminently reasonable.  I've certainly seen similar behavior in blue-absorbing orgainc liquids many times. (I was using a 514 nm argon-ion laser, but the principal is the same.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What you&#8217;re seeing is almost certainly flourescence.  The solarized portion is yellow, meaning it sucks up blue light, which means, in an organic, that there are likely structural features with extended delocalized pi electron systems.  Such systems tend to absorb bluer light, and in the absence of a very strong fluoresence quencher, reemit to the red of the absorbed light.  Absorbing doubled Nd:YAG light and reemitting it as orange strikes me as eminently reasonable.  I&#8217;ve certainly seen similar behavior in blue-absorbing orgainc liquids many times. (I was using a 514 nm argon-ion laser, but the principal is the same.)
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		<title>by: Daniel Rutter</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2007/12/03/lichtenbergia/#comment-1653</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>(Oh, and I see nothing wrong with the stewpot account, and there are no messages held for moderation or anything like that. Weird.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>(Oh, and I see nothing wrong with the stewpot account, and there are no messages held for moderation or anything like that. Weird.)
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		<title>by: Daniel Rutter</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2007/12/03/lichtenbergia/#comment-1652</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2007/12/03/lichtenbergia/#comment-1652</guid>
					<description>I can't see anything unusual happening when I shine a red laser through the block, but I don't have any high-powered red lasers, so I can't be certain.

A correctly-adjusted polariser eats all of the green speckle pattern visible along the amber beam, leaving the amber clearer and more visible, but otherwise unchanged.

(And the usual &lt;a href=&quot;/2007/06/24/polarised-plastic/&quot;&gt;trippy stuff&lt;/a&gt; happens if I put the Lichtenberg figure between the polariser and a source of polarised light. Especially if I leave the acrylic block in its protective Ziploc bag!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I can&#8217;t see anything unusual happening when I shine a red laser through the block, but I don&#8217;t have any high-powered red lasers, so I can&#8217;t be certain.</p>
	<p>A correctly-adjusted polariser eats all of the green speckle pattern visible along the amber beam, leaving the amber clearer and more visible, but otherwise unchanged.</p>
	<p>(And the usual <a href="/2007/06/24/polarised-plastic/">trippy stuff</a> happens if I put the Lichtenberg figure between the polariser and a source of polarised light. Especially if I leave the acrylic block in its protective Ziploc bag!)
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		<title>by: stewpot2</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2007/12/03/lichtenbergia/#comment-1651</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I thought it was dichroism, but I don't think green lasers emit anything but green.

So I reckon it's either fluorescence or maybe even &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raman_scattering&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Raman scattering&lt;/a&gt;. Not that I'm an expert.

Try it with a polarising filter and see what happens.

Also, blogsome is silently ignoring my posts when I log in as stewpot. Strange.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I thought it was dichroism, but I don&#8217;t think green lasers emit anything but green.</p>
	<p>So I reckon it&#8217;s either fluorescence or maybe even <a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raman_scattering" rel="nofollow">Raman scattering</a>. Not that I&#8217;m an expert.</p>
	<p>Try it with a polarising filter and see what happens.</p>
	<p>Also, blogsome is silently ignoring my posts when I log in as stewpot. Strange.
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		<title>by: Joe Bloggs</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2007/12/03/lichtenbergia/#comment-1648</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ok, correction--red gel over the 'lens', I take it that means the picture-taking lens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ok, correction&#8211;red gel over the &#8216;lens&#8217;, I take it that means the picture-taking lens.
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		<title>by: Joe Bloggs</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2007/12/03/lichtenbergia/#comment-1647</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hmm, not the first time here that this rule of lasers had been bent. Here he says he puts red gel filter over laser and red light comes out. wtf?
http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2007/11/30/a-bit-more-lasing/#comments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hmm, not the first time here that this rule of lasers had been bent. Here he says he puts red gel filter over laser and red light comes out. wtf?<br />
<a href='http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2007/11/30/a-bit-more-lasing/#comments' rel='nofollow'>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2007/11/30/a-bit-more-lasing/#comments</a>
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