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	<title>Comments on: Ecowatts: Place your bets!</title>
	<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2007/09/17/ecowatts-place-your-bets/</link>
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		<title>by: RichVR</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2007/09/17/ecowatts-place-your-bets/#comment-1417</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:18:43 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh, also:

100 quatloos against the Ecowatts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh, also:</p>
	<p>100 quatloos against the Ecowatts.
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		<title>by: RichVR</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2007/09/17/ecowatts-place-your-bets/#comment-1416</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:32:25 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Strike, my guess would be because &quot;now a days technology&quot; can not change the Laws of Thermodynamics. But I may be misreading what you wrote. If I am, I apologise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Strike, my guess would be because "now a days technology" can not change the Laws of Thermodynamics. But I may be misreading what you wrote. If I am, I apologise.
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		<title>by: Strike</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2007/09/17/ecowatts-place-your-bets/#comment-1415</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:23:18 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>really this reports make me to worry tooo ( as I am designing a machine ) Time to change our views guys ,with now a days technology, why can't we make things better than a joke ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>really this reports make me to worry tooo ( as I am designing a machine ) Time to change our views guys ,with now a days technology, why can't we make things better than a joke ?
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		<title>by: Stark</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2007/09/17/ecowatts-place-your-bets/#comment-1413</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:20:38 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2007/09/17/ecowatts-place-your-bets/#comment-1413</guid>
					<description>Nice link Kess... &quot;emerging new models describing an active Aether&quot; resulted in coffee in my nasal cavity.  You'd think I would have been prepared for that phrase by the preceding one: &quot;My research area is in the field of non-locality of Consciousness.&quot; but alas no, and now I have a scalded sinus for my trouble.

You'd think I'd learn to not drink piping hot liquids while reading things like this but apparently I'm a slow learner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nice link Kess... "emerging new models describing an active Aether" resulted in coffee in my nasal cavity.  You'd think I would have been prepared for that phrase by the preceding one: "My research area is in the field of non-locality of Consciousness." but alas no, and now I have a scalded sinus for my trouble.</p>
	<p>You'd think I'd learn to not drink piping hot liquids while reading things like this but apparently I'm a slow learner.
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		<title>by: Kess</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2007/09/17/ecowatts-place-your-bets/#comment-1411</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 05:59:31 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Jim Lyons is a real person at York, and uses his engineering credentials to support this product, but you'll see his endorsement of this product in a different light when you read his woo-woo bio entry at http://www.scimednet.org/testimonies.htm

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Jim Lyons is a real person at York, and uses his engineering credentials to support this product, but you'll see his endorsement of this product in a different light when you read his woo-woo bio entry at <a href='http://www.scimednet.org/testimonies.htm' rel='nofollow'>http://www.scimednet.org/testimonies.htm</a>
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		<title>by: Lord Booga</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2007/09/17/ecowatts-place-your-bets/#comment-1410</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 05:49:06 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>If these people put half as much effort into REAL science, we'd all be enjoying our household cold-fusion reactors about now :/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If these people put half as much effort into REAL science, we'd all be enjoying our household cold-fusion reactors about now :/
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		<title>by: troglobyte</title>
		<link>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2007/09/17/ecowatts-place-your-bets/#comment-1409</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 05:39:01 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2007/09/17/ecowatts-place-your-bets/#comment-1409</guid>
					<description>To be fair, it is certainly possible to have a device that puts more energy into water than is input via electricity, fuel, or whatever else. Heat pumps do it all the time. Cool the outside air, and you can move that heat inside (plus pumping inefficiency, which in this case actually helps you).

Of course, the reason they're not used all over is that they tend to be expensive, maintenance-heavy, and workable only in a fairly small temperature range compared to electric elements. Given that this device isn't festooned with radiators, I doubt that it works on the heat pump principle (or any other valid principle, for that matter). However, it &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; possible.

I'd bet that this device's &quot;secret catalyst&quot; is the key. It's a reasonably clever way to scam people, because you don't have to worry about concealing a second set of electrical wires, gas plumbing, or anything else, and it can be explained away as necessary for correct operation of the &quot;infinite energy&quot; machine. Meanwhile, it's reacting merrily away and cranking out heat; never mind that the device doesn't work for more than a little while before going right back to ~99% efficiency. If the investors notice it stops working, tell them that it's still an experimental model, you're working out the last problems (but this proves the principle is sound!), and swap in another catalyst cartridge or whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>To be fair, it is certainly possible to have a device that puts more energy into water than is input via electricity, fuel, or whatever else. Heat pumps do it all the time. Cool the outside air, and you can move that heat inside (plus pumping inefficiency, which in this case actually helps you).</p>
	<p>Of course, the reason they're not used all over is that they tend to be expensive, maintenance-heavy, and workable only in a fairly small temperature range compared to electric elements. Given that this device isn't festooned with radiators, I doubt that it works on the heat pump principle (or any other valid principle, for that matter). However, it <i>is</i> possible.</p>
	<p>I'd bet that this device's "secret catalyst" is the key. It's a reasonably clever way to scam people, because you don't have to worry about concealing a second set of electrical wires, gas plumbing, or anything else, and it can be explained away as necessary for correct operation of the "infinite energy" machine. Meanwhile, it's reacting merrily away and cranking out heat; never mind that the device doesn't work for more than a little while before going right back to ~99% efficiency. If the investors notice it stops working, tell them that it's still an experimental model, you're working out the last problems (but this proves the principle is sound!), and swap in another catalyst cartridge or whatever.
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