Comments on: Bugger bugger bugger bugger… oh! http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2006/11/07/bugger-bugger-bugger-bugger-oh/ the blog that is not dansdata.com Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:36:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: Itsacon http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2006/11/07/bugger-bugger-bugger-bugger-oh/#comment-245 Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:47:55 +0000 http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2006/11/07/bugger-bugger-bugger-bugger-oh/#comment-245 Yeah, it's certainly the Nvidia drivers. I happen two have two graphics cards (three screens), the second being a matrox. It happens pretty much always after gaming and such, but only on the two screens attached to the Geforce. I then call up display properties, move it to the third screen (using hotkeys), open the settings->advanced window, and click on the Nvidia control panel. This seems to reset the drivers, cause it redraws the screen and is back to normal. As bedlam said, it started happening after I upgraded to the 9x.xx series of drivers. I'll try the new upgrade and the driver cleaner trick though, cause I'm getting kinda tired of this, even if I don't require a complete reboot. Yeah, it’s certainly the Nvidia drivers.
I happen two have two graphics cards (three screens), the second being a matrox. It happens pretty much always after gaming and such, but only on the two screens attached to the Geforce. I then call up display properties, move it to the third screen (using hotkeys), open the settings->advanced window, and click on the Nvidia control panel. This seems to reset the drivers, cause it redraws the screen and is back to normal.
As bedlam said, it started happening after I upgraded to the 9x.xx series of drivers.
I’ll try the new upgrade and the driver cleaner trick though, cause I’m getting kinda tired of this, even if I don’t require a complete reboot.

]]> by: FLea http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2006/11/07/bugger-bugger-bugger-bugger-oh/#comment-244 Tue, 07 Nov 2006 13:51:37 +0000 http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2006/11/07/bugger-bugger-bugger-bugger-oh/#comment-244 A year or two ago I had a similar problem with my Radeon card - mainly evident with RCTW:ET. My issue wasn't always after switching resolutions - sometimes it occured mid duel - but always I had mouse cursor and keyboard control, just frozen video. It was vid driver related and was happening to enough people it was patched. Back then, a work around that worked for me was to full-screen a text box to regain video: If in game, toggle console and exit to desktop when at desktop: ALT-ESC (or windows key), "R", "cmd", ENTER, ALT-ENTER This always brought up a visable full screen DOS box for me... typed "exit" and everything was working again. If you are ingame and have no console access to exit... good luck finding the right spots to click on! A year or two ago I had a similar problem with my Radeon card - mainly evident with RCTW:ET. My issue wasn’t always after switching resolutions - sometimes it occured mid duel - but always I had mouse cursor and keyboard control, just frozen video.

It was vid driver related and was happening to enough people it was patched. Back then, a work around that worked for me was to full-screen a text box to regain video:
If in game, toggle console and exit to desktop when at desktop: ALT-ESC (or windows key), “R”, “cmd”, ENTER, ALT-ENTER

This always brought up a visable full screen DOS box for me… typed “exit” and everything was working again. If you are ingame and have no console access to exit… good luck finding the right spots to click on!

]]> by: Bedlam http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2006/11/07/bugger-bugger-bugger-bugger-oh/#comment-243 Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:49:41 +0000 http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2006/11/07/bugger-bugger-bugger-bugger-oh/#comment-243 I experienced the very same error last night after exiting from NWN2. (As an aside, same program defaults to 60Hz and has no way to change it amongst its voluminous settings. A quick look in ReForce somehow had it only detecting one gigantic resolution and a long list of monitors including one I last used 2 video cards ago). That said, I'm entirely convinced it's caused by the crappiness of nVidia drivers (91.47 on my 7800GS). Given they've only recently moved to this new UI, there are undoubtedly a myriad of new bugs that came with it. Have a look at the changelog with each new set of drivers, and your piece on polishing mud comes to mind. I used to use gkour's little trick back in the days of v81 when my 6800GT would blank the screen entirely after a resolution change. The combo, if anyone needs it, is WinKey, Up, Left, Enter, Enter. Thanks for reminding me of it. As far as a fix goes - wait breathlessly for the next driver release and pray the damn thing works. If it does, never upgrade it again. I experienced the very same error last night after exiting from NWN2. (As an aside, same program defaults to 60Hz and has no way to change it amongst its voluminous settings. A quick look in ReForce somehow had it only detecting one gigantic resolution and a long list of monitors including one I last used 2 video cards ago).

That said, I’m entirely convinced it’s caused by the crappiness of nVidia drivers (91.47 on my 7800GS). Given they’ve only recently moved to this new UI, there are undoubtedly a myriad of new bugs that came with it. Have a look at the changelog with each new set of drivers, and your piece on polishing mud comes to mind.

I used to use gkour’s little trick back in the days of v81 when my 6800GT would blank the screen entirely after a resolution change. The combo, if anyone needs it, is WinKey, Up, Left, Enter, Enter. Thanks for reminding me of it.

As far as a fix goes - wait breathlessly for the next driver release and pray the damn thing works. If it does, never upgrade it again.

]]> by: gkour http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2006/11/07/bugger-bugger-bugger-bugger-oh/#comment-241 Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:01:15 +0000 http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2006/11/07/bugger-bugger-bugger-bugger-oh/#comment-241 Same thing happens to me but instead of rebooting I use the keyboard to switch users and I am greeted by the fully functional welcome screen. Then I choose the same active account and the desktop is back from its motionless slumber... A solution it ain't, but a workaround. Same thing happens to me but instead of rebooting I use the keyboard to switch users and I am greeted by the fully functional welcome screen. Then I choose the same active account and the desktop is back from its motionless slumber…
A solution it ain’t, but a workaround.

]]> by: bartron http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2006/11/07/bugger-bugger-bugger-bugger-oh/#comment-240 Tue, 07 Nov 2006 09:16:08 +0000 http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2006/11/07/bugger-bugger-bugger-bugger-oh/#comment-240 It would be at this point that I thank my lucky stars nothin is corrupt and spend quality time doing a backup/re-install. However I second the return-to-old-version of display drivers...what about mobo drivers? I've learnt that the phrase "but that has nothing to do with...." has no meaning when talking about mass produced electronics from some factory in <i>insert asian country here</i>. Anyway, I gave up on PC's and <a>moved on</a>....games?? <a href="http://www.zophar.net/mac/mac.phtml" rel="nofollow">Bah!</a> It would be at this point that I thank my lucky stars nothin is corrupt and spend quality time doing a backup/re-install. However I second the return-to-old-version of display drivers…what about mobo drivers? I’ve learnt that the phrase “but that has nothing to do with….” has no meaning when talking about mass produced electronics from some factory in insert asian country here. Anyway, I gave up on PC’s and moved on….games?? Bah!

]]> by: Stark http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2006/11/07/bugger-bugger-bugger-bugger-oh/#comment-239 Tue, 07 Nov 2006 09:13:17 +0000 http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2006/11/07/bugger-bugger-bugger-bugger-oh/#comment-239 I'd try wiping your vid drivers back to plain old VGA - nuking any and all refrences to the GeForce drivers and any files you can find. There are utilities to clean out the nasty remnants for you - this one seems to work well : http://www.drivercleaner.net/ Install a standard VGA driver at reboot after getting all cleaned up. Try resolution changes and see what happens. If you still get issues then I think it likely that the card has gone flaky on you. If it's OK in VGA mode install the GeForce drivers again and see what happens... if problems persist rollback to VGA - clean it again - and install older Geforce drivers.... repeat ad nauseum until the problem either goes away or you come to the conclusion that you have a hardware issue ;) I’d try wiping your vid drivers back to plain old VGA - nuking any and all refrences to the GeForce drivers and any files you can find. There are utilities to clean out the nasty remnants for you - this one seems to work well : http://www.drivercleaner.net/

Install a standard VGA driver at reboot after getting all cleaned up. Try resolution changes and see what happens. If you still get issues then I think it likely that the card has gone flaky on you. If it’s OK in VGA mode install the GeForce drivers again and see what happens… if problems persist rollback to VGA - clean it again - and install older Geforce drivers…. repeat ad nauseum until the problem either goes away or you come to the conclusion that you have a hardware issue ;)

]]> by: asgromo http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2006/11/07/bugger-bugger-bugger-bugger-oh/#comment-238 Tue, 07 Nov 2006 07:08:39 +0000 http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2006/11/07/bugger-bugger-bugger-bugger-oh/#comment-238 Spookily enough, I've been having the exact same problem on two very different machine- the only similarities being Windows 2000 and the relatively recent GeForces (PCI 5200 and PCI-E 6600GT). It's only started taking place in the last couple of weeks, but it's certainly the same thing you're talking about... To the letter. I'm thinking NVidia drives as well. Spookily enough, I’ve been having the exact same problem on two very different machine- the only similarities being Windows 2000 and the relatively recent GeForces (PCI 5200 and PCI-E 6600GT). It’s only started taking place in the last couple of weeks, but it’s certainly the same thing you’re talking about… To the letter. I’m thinking NVidia drives as well.

]]> by: matkun http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2006/11/07/bugger-bugger-bugger-bugger-oh/#comment-237 Tue, 07 Nov 2006 06:53:53 +0000 http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2006/11/07/bugger-bugger-bugger-bugger-oh/#comment-237 To add on the previous comment, not sure if the 7800 GT does this, but it might be the 2d/3d clocks changing code that causes this. I know ATI has a hotkey poller or some such service that detects the 2d to full screen 3d change and ramps up the clocks on my x1900 xt 256mb (yeay for value), then reverts them when I'm done. Most likely nvidia has the same thing in some other service that could cause this? To add on the previous comment, not sure if the 7800 GT does this, but it might be the 2d/3d clocks changing code that causes this. I know ATI has a hotkey poller or some such service that detects the 2d to full screen 3d change and ramps up the clocks on my x1900 xt 256mb (yeay for value), then reverts them when I’m done. Most likely nvidia has the same thing in some other service that could cause this?

]]> by: matkun http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2006/11/07/bugger-bugger-bugger-bugger-oh/#comment-236 Tue, 07 Nov 2006 06:51:54 +0000 http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2006/11/07/bugger-bugger-bugger-bugger-oh/#comment-236 I'd try older versions of the display drivers, going back 10 versions or so just to make sure. I’d try older versions of the display drivers, going back 10 versions or so just to make sure.

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